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New GetGo Gas Station Plans Coming This Week

Updated proposal shows more green space.

The city’s board of architectural review is set to discuss Giant Eagle’s plan to plant a GetGo gas station at the southwest corner of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue.

Officials from the Pittsburgh-based grocer are expected to present drawings to the  on Thursday.

At the encouragement of the city, the new drawings show a lot more green space.

This won’t be the first time the issue has come before the board. at a special work session meeting at Lakewood City Hall.

And a few weeks later, a to discuss the issue. Some in attendance opposed the project, while some neighbors showed support for the development. 

Earlier this year, informed the city that it was looking to build the gas station on the property it once owned at the busy intersection of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue. 

at the busy intersection of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue highlight a 5,600-square-foot brick building, with eight fueling stations, iron fencing and green space. 

The GetGo station — unlike the company’s typical gas station — will offer some grocery items, prepared foods, a patio and a Wi-Fi café.

The site will also feature bio-retention landscaping, helping to alleviate the city’s storm water management issues, a move lauded by city officials.

Giant Eagle sold its property across the street at 14013 Detroit Avenue to Urban Active in 2007. However, plans at the site to build a workout facility never came to fruition.

The building has been vacant since 2007, when Giant Eagle finished its move across the street to 14100 Detroit Avenue.

“Preliminary discussions” also included at the corner of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue. However, Giant Eagle representatives recently told city officials those plans are on hold until at least 2013.

Officials said demolition of the existing vacant structure — a grocery store that’s gone by a few names in its history — could begin by June. Construction could be completed by the holidays.

The original Bill April 11, 2012 at 12:12 AM
Ask a residential Realtor about the effect of vacant dilapidated property at the end of your street. And GetGo prices their gas exactly the same as BP and Speedway. Get a clue
Renee April 11, 2012 at 12:13 AM
Bill Craig, I see your point about the apartment building owners and the comment was made on the assumption that most apartment building owners in Lakewood do not actually live there -- they rent them out and live elsewhere but if I am wrong about that then I apologize for the comment. The point I was attempting to make is that tenants have a choice to move, homeowners do not. Is a gas station going to affect the amount of rent they can get for their apartments? Will their commercial property values be affected anymore than they are already are being that they are so close to the tracks and that power station? I don't know the answer to that, just a thought. And, I do not feel it is okay as long as it is not in my backyard. I would support anyone fighting something like this next to them. A gas station affects the environment for people close to it and those not so close. What is going to happen to the other stations in competition with this mammoth station? Will they be forced out of business? More open space to be developed. How about another bar, we sure need more of those too...
The original Bill April 11, 2012 at 12:16 AM
Renee you were the one who said your property value was going to drop. I am asking you to prove it. I cited Broadview Hts because GE just built a brand new GetGo there like the one they are planning for here. Have the property values dropped around that gas station?
Renee April 11, 2012 at 12:19 AM
Bill Craig, to your point that homeowners can move, that is simply not true. How can we move if our property values are lowered so that we can't sell our houses even if we wanted to take the City's advice and move? Who would buy a house next to a gas station? Get it?
The original Bill April 11, 2012 at 12:20 AM
You people kill me. You buy a house near Detroit Rd and all its commercial property then complain about it. Just like people buying a house near the airport and complaining about Jet noise. Or by the interstate and complaining about traffic noise.
The original Bill April 11, 2012 at 12:24 AM
Renee move now before it is built. Hurry before the value drops.
Renee April 11, 2012 at 12:38 AM
Bill, how old are you? Do you even know what YOU are talking about? You sound like you are the one who needs a clue. We are talking about people who have lived in the same place for 30+ years. They did not buy a house near a gas station and THEN complain about it. How about you prove to me that the value won't drop since you are so sure it won't AND since you are the one with all the clues. Are you old enough to use the internet? Maybe not, well, just in case, let me help. Just type in the words google.com, then type economic obsolescence and see what you get -- that is proof enough for this forum.
Shawn Juris April 11, 2012 at 04:01 AM
I agree. Let's be clear. The claims being made about the impact of this development are greatly exaggerated if not outright false. The ARB has done a nice job working with Giant Eagle/GetGo on designing a plan that addresses many of the concerns that I have heard and read. Looking forward to moving ahead on this.
The original Bill April 11, 2012 at 11:58 AM
Thank you Shawn. The vast majority of residents see this as a positive development.
The original Bill April 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Proof enough in your mind maybe but not in the court of public opinion. I don't see where my age has anything to do with it. Yes I do know how to use the internet. I have been using it for almost 20 years and am quite knowledgeable about it. I have lived in my house in Lakewood for a little over 25 years now. When I was looking to but a house my preference was to avoid the proximity of commercially zoned property. Not every house in Lakewood sits close to Detroit or Madison and their retail property. Maybe you didn't buy a house near a gas station but you did buy near Detroit and its commercial property.
Shawn Juris April 11, 2012 at 01:56 PM
It absolutely false that there is no other competition for Giant Eagle. Lakewood also has Nature's Bin, Marc's, Aldi's, Bi-Rite, Sappells, TJ's Butcher Block, Breadsmith, Blackbird Bakery to name a few.
Renee April 11, 2012 at 02:03 PM
Vast majority? Prove it as you are so fond of saying and since you have all the clues.
Renee April 11, 2012 at 02:05 PM
So glad you are looking forward to moving ahead on this. You are the one being outright false and you know it.
Renee April 11, 2012 at 02:08 PM
Shawn, I said no competition of this scale and you know exactly what I mean and so does everyone else.
Evan Hammersmith April 11, 2012 at 02:11 PM
I live on Bunts. When I bought my house I considered its proximity to the current Giant eagle and the Railroad tracks. I determined that even though it's relatively close, the property is still a relatively desirable location. If you bought the house that's directly next to what will be the Get Go, or the service garage across the street, you were foolish to have believed that the proximity to commercial properties would not have a future negative affect on your property value. Reality is that not everyone wants to be that close to any commercial property. That includes stores, apartment buildings, and yes gas stations. There are some who don't care about the proximity, and that small pool of people will be your future buyer. Sorry you made your choice. GetGo should not back down because of your past decision to buy a house next to commercial property.
Shawn Juris April 11, 2012 at 02:15 PM
Renee, I can say for myself that I have no idea what you mean. Please tell me the result that you hope to see looks like.
Renee April 11, 2012 at 02:21 PM
Evan, thank you for your kind and supportive words. Enjoy your house on Bunts.
Renee April 11, 2012 at 02:22 PM
Shawn, I am sure you don't have an idea what I mean.
Evan Hammersmith April 11, 2012 at 02:55 PM
Considering this station would be in my neighborhood, I am concerned with how the property is developed. The biggest negative to me is the possible future cost to develop what will be considered a brownfield site (because of the underground fuel tanks that would need removed). Working in the commercial construction industry, I know that brownfield redevelopment can be costly. Assuming that Lakewood remains a viable city, it's reasonable to predict that a future developer would not back away from the site due to this. Secondly, I dont see cars pulling in and out creating any more noise than the normal traffic at this intersection. I'm not clear on how the air quality will be drastically different from current, or when there was an active grocery there. When I am at the pump, I'm not overwhelmed with gas fumes, so I dont believe it'll be that bad from 300 feet away. I think most of the negative sentiment is way overstated. The key will be whether Giant eagle remains a good citizen in keeping their property cleaned up and maintained. And whether their operating hours will attract unsavory people late at night. Moons will probably not be affected because GE pricing wont be lower on convenience items. What am I missing?
Bill Trentel April 11, 2012 at 03:01 PM
Fun, at one time that intersection had gas stations on three of the corners. That was before underground tanks where regulated at all. Now they are heavily regulated and monitored. The property value bs is always thrown out there, but the facts just don't support it. Did the Walgreen's bring down the values of the homes on Warren or Revely or the Dunkin Donuts and SS office bring down the value of the homes on Spring Garden? A modern well kept business of any kind will only helps support the value of the neighborhood and community. Do you think vacant out of date commercial properties are good for your any of our home values? The site plan looks like it provides a very generous green buffer between the business activity and the abutting homes.
Renee April 11, 2012 at 03:06 PM
Evan, I appreciate all you are saying and I am not opposed to the development of this property. A gas station causes the property values to drop -- period. Economic obsolescence. I keep saying that and no one has a meaningful reply for me -- hey, where's the person with all the clues gone? His clue is to sell our home fast - boy that is real helpful. Maybe the good citizen Giant Eagle would be willing to pay us for the loss they are causing us?
Renee April 11, 2012 at 03:10 PM
Bill Trentel, economic obsolescence. It applies to gas stations. I would welcome any Walgreens, Dunkin Donuts or SS office. Of course they are not going to bring down the value of your home because it does not fall under economic obsolescence. A vacant lot can be improved causing the value to rise. A gas station affects the property value long term - economic obsolescence. You cannot compare a gas station with any of those examples.
Shawn Juris April 11, 2012 at 03:33 PM
Definition of Economic Obsolescence http://www.thetruthaboutrealty.com/functional-and-economic-obsolescence/. The gas station is not going in the middle of a residential neighborhood, it's planned for a major intersection in a commercial corridor. There was not a zoning change which suddenly allows it now, it has been this way for quite some time. It is a gas station with a food market, that's it. It's not a freeway or a power plant or a toxic waste dump. I have to wonder as well. If we accept this argument that a gas station shouldn't go at this corner of Detroit and Bunts, then where is it acceptable? Did the property values decline east of Warren behind the Speedway and the BP? Was it directly attributed to the lawful occupancy of a gas station? While we're on those two, this plan is far better than those layouts and miles ahead of several other locations that I can think of. So again, if any sort of protest and opposition is successful, we're left with options which are far worse than what's been made available. Given that business is competition, maybe the competitors will step up and find ways to landsape their lots to compete with GetGo. Economic development is not always economic obsolescence and given the efforts of the ARB and GetGo does not seem to be the case here. http://youtu.be/G2y8Sx4B2Sk
Evan Hammersmith April 11, 2012 at 03:40 PM
Renee, I'll talk to a friend of mine who is a commercial real-estate appraiser and get his opinion. Your assumption is that a gas station is worse than a restaurant, or store, or office building and will create economic obsolescence whereas other types of commercial property will not. My original point is that ANY commercial property will create some obsolescence to the properties directly adjacent. Your contention is that gas stations are worse. That I'm not convinced of. In theory, some buildings might be worse than others. Like a jail, or a dive bar.
The original Bill April 11, 2012 at 07:31 PM
Shawn thank you for proving Renee wrong. As I have said before, and as the comments on this subject prove, the vast majority of Lakewood residents approve of this project. Thanks for your work on this.
The original Bill April 11, 2012 at 08:29 PM
Renee all you have to do is look at all the comments after this story and the other 2 stories on this topic here on the Patch, then add up all the positive comment posters and compare them to you and the other 2 negative comment posters. Yes that would be a vast majority.
Shawn Juris April 11, 2012 at 11:34 PM
Thank the ARB, Planning and Development dept and Giant Eagle/GetGo. They did the work on this, not me. I'm sure that those folks would love to hear some positive feedback for a change.
Sandy April 12, 2012 at 02:39 PM
I think the plans look great. Like the outdoor seating. Hope they have wifi. As far as living next to an obnoxious place, try living next or near a bar trying to get some sleep with drunks arguing at 2 a.m. Gas station is much more peaceful.
Steve April 12, 2012 at 08:26 PM
Maybe, just maybe Shawn Juris did a little research, besides the internet which is not always true. Just wish I could say that about the DOG BAN here in Lakewood, where he only went to 'dogsbite' website for his info.
Steve April 12, 2012 at 09:11 PM
I think she is refering to undergroung storage tanks for fuel.And yes, they do leak and contaminate. But then again, your probably also for Nuclear power plants...

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