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McDonald's Architectural Plans Approved

The city's Architecture Board of Review conditionally approved McDonald's new proposal to replace the 87-year-old Detroit Theater Thursday.

Five bucks used to get you into a first-run movie at 16409 Detroit Ave.

Now, it’s one step closer to getting you a Big Mac Extra Value Meal.

The Lakewood Architectural Board of Review conditionally approved  at  Thursday, providing they resize a sign, make the building’s exterior glass more transparent and provide more details on the building’s materials. 

“This building has come a long ways,” ABR Chair Jeffery Foster said. “Is it ideal? No. But it is a great representation of how a company can adapt to a community’s needs.”

The approval came after the ABR sent the famous fast-food chain in July, citing concerns over traffic flow and the building aesthetically fitting with city’s design. 

Mike Lewis, developer for , said in his introduction the new plans arose from “many discussions” with the board.

“We feel that the end result is a building Lakewood will be proud of, and it will be a benchmark for the future of McDonald’s,” Lewis said.

In addition to moving the building closer to the street to align with other downtown storefronts, the plans contained several changes from the company’s original proposal, including:

  • a side-by-side drive-thru, to prevent congestion;
  • large, transparent windows along the street;
  • black awnings over all street-bordering windows;
  • an urban park, with perennial flowers, shrubs and trees;
  • a rooftop green space.

ABR members did express some concerns over the size of the monument sign — the big red signs with the Golden Arches — being placed near the primary, Detroit Avenue entrance. 

“It detracts from your building,” Carl Orban said. “It’s just going to be this big blob of red.”

Lewis said the monument sign was core to the McDonald’s brand. And at 8-feet tall, it was already shorter than the city’s 10-foot limit.

The board remained critical, as Foster reminded McDonald’s of their request for four more signs than current city ordinance allows. 

“So that means you’ll have six signs,” he said. “That’s a lot of signs.”

Residents, however, were still unconvinced that traffic congestion at the Detroit-Woodward intersection will not become an issue, as the drive-thru exit is currently placed on Woodward Avenue — 80 feet from the intersection — and the city is planning to remove the stoplight.

“I’m four houses down on Woodward, and I can’t get out of my drive way as it is,” said Lisa Blackburn, of 4240 Woodward Ave. "How are we going to get out once this place opens?"

The theater, after 87 years of operation, closed its doors this January, after several years of declining attendance and rising cost of film companies. It has been on the market for $695,000, and had drawn little interest.

Peter Grossetti September 9, 2011 at 08:46 pm
Historical?? The Detroit Theatre has received no Historical designation from a national, state or local agency/entity. Just because a building is old and hold lots of memories does not make it historically significant. If that was the criteria (old and holding memories) then 90% of Lakewood's homes would qualify.
Aaron September 9, 2011 at 09:14 pm
Oh, it hasn't received "historical designation" from a national, state or local agency? Then by all means, replace it with a McDonald's. If this is the mentality of Lakewood's residents and officials, then I need to get out quicker than anticipated.
Aaron September 9, 2011 at 09:16 pm
You think the design "compliments the city look and feel?" You do know it's a McDonalds, right?
Peter Grossetti September 9, 2011 at 09:59 pm
Aaron - Personally, I'd rather see just about anything go in there than a McDonald's ... but, as I stated before and you agreed upon, this is a perfectly legal transaction between two private parties. How would you like it if your fellow citizens told you who you could or couldn't sell your property to?
The original Bill September 9, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Aaron: good riddance. We don't need whiners and complainers like you. Lakewood will become a better city the day you move out.
Aaron September 9, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Bill - You don't know me, don't know how long I've lived in Lakewood, and don't know what I've done in support of my city.
You call me a "whiner" because I'm questioning tearing down a historic theater to put up a McDonalds. I don't want to live in a city where concerned citizens do not question important decisions. It appears you're an ignorant follower, not a leader or free thinker. Just what a dying community needs. Keep drinking the Kool Aid. You can get a refill at McDonalds.
Peter Grossetti September 9, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Aaron - you are angry at -- and venting at - the wrong people (person). Don't you get it??? It is Mr Barr who is (legally) the selling his own property. I ask you again: "How would you like it if your fellow citizens told you who you could or couldn't sell your property to?"
Peter Grossetti September 9, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Dru Siley did not put a gun to Mr. Barr's head and force him to sell his property.
Aaron September 9, 2011 at 11:51 pm
First, I'm angry over the fact that people call questioning a community's direction "whining." That's just ignorance. Progress doesn't result from the status quo.
Second, I understand that Mr. Barr is free to sell his property to whomever he chooses. My argument is that it's sad that Planning & Development couldn't have secured a better buyer for Mr. Barr than McDonalds. They dropped the ball.
Peter Grossetti September 10, 2011 at 01:40 am
Aaron - It's not Planning & Development's job to play real estate agent!
Direct from the City's website, here is what they do: The Department of Planning and Development coordinates long-range planning, zoning, and economic development for the City as well as administers the federal Community Development Block Grant Funds awarded to Lakewood by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. The Department works directly with the Lakewood Planning Commission, the Board of Zoning Appeals, the Board of Building Standards/Architectural Board of Review and Sign Review Board, the Lakewood Heritage Advisory Board, and the Citizens Advisory Committee. I never called you a whiner. In fact ... I appreciate civil discourse and appreciate that you care enough to speak up.
Theresa September 10, 2011 at 11:47 am
Let's not forget two of the really important things, the "tax dollars" and "jobs" this venture will bring into the city. Our property taxes are high enough, and I don't need or can afford another increase. We need larger business that can afford to pay the the property taxes. The theather's days are over, and it's time to move on. I can't image the expense to keep up that property, and try to pay the property tax. It' s best to tear it down and start over. As much as I hate to see a church torn down, and replaced with a CVS or S.S. Admin. building, the new businesses bring in needed tax dollars that the churches didn't. McDonald's will be able to pay the tax bill that comes twice a year, no matter what's on the property!
Aaron September 10, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Wow. This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I say Lakewood is becoming the next Brookpark. Citizens more concerned with not paying taxes than maintaining the integrity of their community. If you don't want to pay taxes, then you WILL live in a run down city.
Theresa wants to replace historic theaters with McDonalds's and landmark churches with more CVS's. Rationale? "[T]he new businesses bring in needed tax dollars that the churches didn't." You're right. If you don't want to pay your taxes, then you will live in a community suffocating with McDonalds and CVS. Don't worry, we're almost there.
Aaron September 10, 2011 at 01:02 pm
You may be correct in stating that it's not their "job" or core function. That said, it's what good cities do. How do you think Avon has had the growth that they're experiencing? By a Planning & Development department stating "sorry, that's not what we do?"
It's time for Dru Siley and the rest of that department to step up and do a better job before this town is taken over with fast food chains.
Steve September 10, 2011 at 09:38 pm
So then, lets tear down every church in Lakewood so we can build up the tax base. And as far as jobs, these are minimun wage jobs at the least, not enough to support a family in family friendly Lakewood. People vote for property tax increases the last time I checked, not minimun wage jobs that in reality pay no taxes.
Lisa September 11, 2011 at 10:17 pm
After attending the 9/8/11 meeting at City Hall, I'm very troubled that the concerns the residents of Woodward Ave have are not being addressed. The McDonald's rep confirmed that ~80% of their business is drive thru. If the entrance & exit of the drive thru are on Woodward, why would anyone get to the drive thru from Detroit as the rep suggested?They confirmed at peak Sloane McDonald's has 80 cars/hour & the McDonald's rep said at one of the 1st meetings that they hoped the new location would double business. How are they going to process ~150+ cars an hour?? And with McDonald's being open 18 hrs/day, even a low estimate at 80 cars/hour could amount to an additional 1440+ cars/day. Woodward has 1584/cars/day now! Has anyone but the citizens of Woodward seriously thought about the implications of this traffic? Is someone going to stand at the end of my drive so I can exit??Please somebody take the time to help us! I really don't have any attachment to the Detroit Theater going, but a restaurant with the volume of McDonald's & drive thru onto Woodward is a nightmare in the making!!! Once it goes up, we are stuck forever with the consequences until we can get someone to buy our home (at a greatly reduced rate! Any takers??)
Peter Grossetti September 12, 2011 at 12:20 am
I'm still not clear exactly WHAT the residents of Woodward do want. It is VERY obvious what they DON'T want. I reiterate ... perhaps the best possible outcome for Woodward Avenue residents is that the building be razed and NOTHING go in its place.
Lisa September 12, 2011 at 01:54 am
Like I said, I don't have any attachment to the theater, but the sheer volume & potential increased traffic on Woodward concerns me, especially since I am a few houses away from the drive thru entrance/exit. Rite Aid has been a good neighbor, with little impact on our street. I mainly am pointing out that they need to seriously rethink having the drive thru enter & exit onto Woodward, reconfigure it to use Detroit instead. I assume Peter that you don't live close to this proposed site, so you don't share the concerns Woodward residents do. If you attended any of the meetings at city hall, you would know our primary concern is with the increased traffic & safety issues.
Peter Grossetti September 12, 2011 at 01:42 pm
Lisa - I don't live in the immediate vacinity but that doesn't mean I don't care. I attend nearly every City Council meeting and most ARB meetings having missed the Sept 8 meeting due to work committment. I serve on the Lakewood Animal Safety and Welfare Advisory Board and volunteer my time mentoring our city's youth at the Kaufman Park baskebal courts for Lakewood Outdoor Basketball Comittee. I served ten years in the US Coast Guard and have been employed in the local not-for-profit arena for 20 years. Does that sound like someone who doesn't care?
My point is that Wodward Avenue citizens may benefit from developing a consensus with regard to the neighborhood's concerns ... and presenting those concerns in an organized way to ARB, City Council, the Mayor's Office. It seems that some folks are hell bent on keeping McDs out of Lakewood while some - like you - seem not to mind if McD's builds there but don't want an exit on Woodward. Others are only appalled by the thought of losing childhood memories when the Theare is demolished. Some beleive that the Theatre deserves some type of Histrocial Designation (and to my knowledge Charles Milsaps is the only person persuing that). If increased traffic is The Main Issue, then tearign the building down and replacing it with nothing seems to be the best solution. (Unless someone can tell me what kind of successful business should be built there that would not increase traffic.)
Paul Grimm September 13, 2011 at 04:11 pm
Will theater seats, projection room gear, ticket box, concession stand stuff and other items be available to the public before the McWrecking Ball arrives?
Peter Grossetti September 13, 2011 at 05:37 pm
I'll bet Mr Barr will be happy to sell those things to anyone who wants to purchase them.
Lisa September 14, 2011 at 05:01 am
They will not really be creating any additional jobs just transplanting them from the Sloane Avenue McDonalds
Lisa September 14, 2011 at 05:07 am
Again, as I stated earlier this will not bring additional jobs to Lakewood, this McDonald's is merely replacing the one on Sloane Avenue!!!!
Lisa September 14, 2011 at 05:10 am
With the way he let that theater slip into the state of disrepair I can not think of anyone wanting those seats or any other part of the building. Nothing says theater better than your feet sticking to the floor every time you take a step.
Paul Grimm September 14, 2011 at 11:51 am
McAuction?
Peter Grossetti September 14, 2011 at 01:51 pm
I remember at one of the ARB meetings, hearing a McD rep say that the new restaurant will have a larger work force.
Aaron September 14, 2011 at 02:02 pm
So instead of your feet sticking to the floor of a theater, your feet will be sticking to the floor of a McDonalds.
Aaron September 14, 2011 at 02:04 pm
Regarding a successful business that would not increase traffic, how about some offices? 10-20 people who work there all day as opposed to 10-20 cars driving through the drive-through every 15 minutes? Crazy idea, isn't it?
Peter Grossetti September 14, 2011 at 02:26 pm
Aaron - Thank you! Really ... kudos to you for being the person who finally provides a positive suggestion/idea/solution! And if I may, perhaps the correct insightful developer could upgrade the existing structure (plumbing, HVAC, electric, etc.) and split up the interior to create office spaces (thus appeasing those who are so attached to the memory of theatre) and - as Aaron suggests - alleviates the trafficsafety issues (appeasing those who want rtheir street to be safer).
I'm not holding my breathe on that plan, though, as the building has been on the market for three years and it apears that McDs is the only one interested.
Jason September 15, 2011 at 03:23 pm
My Big Mac is closer. Me likey.
Pat Ballasch September 15, 2011 at 06:00 pm
The question that begs answering is: How do you attract business , new residents and retain existing residents? I think it starts with having an attractive vibrant town, a good school system and a cost effective, efficient visionary government. In an aging city you also need people to do the heavy lifting of renovation and overcoming the drag of delayed maintenance. To encourage this we will need an attitude of helpfulness in every part of city government. The good news is I'm seeing a move in that direction. I'll start my part by finishing some projects at my house. Good luck on yours. :-)

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