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I Just Solved the Abortion Debate

In every poker game, someone has to go all-in.

I suppose I should start this off by announcing that I’m Pro-Choice. 

I cannot understand what role government has in legislating morality, especially on religious grounds.  I think Prohibition proved what a massive failure that can be.  I don’t believe that abortion is “murder,” and I do believe that Roe v. Wade has done a pretty good job of finding a nice middle ground for (what I can understand to be) a very complex debate. 

But that hasn’t stopped the discussion from not only continuing, but getting more bizarre by the day. 

While Ohio's was being voted down in the defeat it deserved in November, voters in Mississippi were trouncing a Republican-led “personhood” amendment to their state constitution called Initiative 26, which defined life as “every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.” 

I would like to take a moment to back up and examine a few things about that.

First, on a basal level, I’m going to need someone to explain to me why Republicans are trying to get the government to tell a woman unambiguously that she can’t have an abortion, when Republicans are the “small government” party.  I find it more than a little ironic that I’m on one side of the fence accusing radical Republicans of lately, and then defending their party's belief system on this issue.  It’s a seemingly-glaring hypocrisy in their platform. 

I suppose it might have to do with their assertion that an abortion is a murder, but that seems to open up a lot more questions, like, “If an abortion procedure is an attempted murder, why haven’t any abortion doctors been killed by fetuses out of self-defense?” 

I hate logic.  It makes our political problems so amusingly and ironically simple to solve.

Another bit to admire about this was that it was Mississippi voters who rejected this state amendment.  I don’t want to put too fine a point on this, but Mississippi doesn’t really have a stunning resume when it comes to having their finger squarely on the pulse of moral decency.  This is the state where the police, in combination with the KKK, executed three men trying to register African Americans to vote during the Civil Rights Movement.  These people don’t have a track-record on understanding the appropriate place to draw the line when it comes to the concept of murder.

So, congratulations to Mississipians for having the common sense to realize that a fertilized egg does not count as a viable life form.  Not every fertilized egg makes it to the uterus. Some of them get washed away during a woman’s period.  So, by this logic, and as George Carlin once put it, “Any woman who's had more than one period is a serial killer.”

Since other states will probably have “personhood” amendments coming to a state ballot near you, I think it’s time we stopped the discussion altogether, before it gets nasty.  Let’s stop all the arguing, and let’s see what happens when a group in this country finally, and indisputably, gets their way. 

Let’s just go ahead and make Initiative 26 a federal law.  In fact, just so there’s no more arguing, let’s amend the Constitution to clearly state that abortion is murder, and therefore a felony. 

You win, Christian Conservative America.  You get everything you want on this one.

There.  That feels better, doesn’t it?  I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders, and finally we can shut up and deal with something else. 

Of course... I’m a man.

For that woman who’s going to get an abortion anyway, we’re gonna have to send a cop after both her, and the abortion doctor who’s performing the procedure.  They’re both accomplices to murder.  And since it’s a federal law, I would suggest hiring special agents like they did during Prohibition (but that would be another expansion of big government and nobody wants that). 

But there are still some loose ends to tie up here; because, like Carlin says, every woman with a birth control device in her purse or a tampon in her trash might be a killer, too.  SO, I guess we’re going to have to get some local detectives out there looking for evidence in the trash cans across America, and some CSI dudes to do the forensic analysis.  These are murders.  They can’t just go uninvestigated.

But, somehow, some way, we’ll figure out how to enforce the law on these killers.  And even though the police force will be overwhelmed with investigations, and the courts will be choked with hung juries that can’t come to a unanimous decision as to whether or not “that time of the month” should result in “a lifetime in prison,” we will know in our hearts that we’ll succeed in doing the right thing. 

Just like Prohibition.

And, finally, when every woman who has had unprotected sex is in prison for murder, we will finally be closer to solving one of mankind's greatest problems!

Himself.

I hate logic.  It makes our political problems so amusingly and ironically simple to solve.

Tim Torrence February 18, 2012 at 08:31 am
Since the debate on the article has devolved into the central issue of abortion I think we must all follow the K.I.S.S. method here. The central question is "When does life begin?" The question is not when does human life begin it is just life. So we must look at all life. If I was to go to the Brecksville Reservation, hike down that dirt trail, climb into that bald eagle's nest and toss its egg 50 feet in the air only to have it crack open on a rock, the whole country would be angered. But I would argue that it was not a bald eagle yet. It was still in the egg. Although it had the potential to be a bald eagle it still was not born yet. And I would be convicted under federal statute. The same logic must be applied to a fetus. The fetus has the potential to be human right from conception. It will never be anything else. It will not be an alligator. It will not be a chicken. It will not be a mouse. To say the human zygote or a fetus is not alive is also scientifically incorrect. That is sophomore biology class work here. (Google 7 characteristics of life) Finally Roe v. Wade does not address the inequality of the father of an unborn child and his right to raise a child. It is inherently flawed. Furthermore Roe v. Wade will have to be revisited due to its decision on fetal viability. Science will advance farther than Roe v. Wade to the point were the human zygote is viable at conception. The debate has been over for a long time. the right to life has won.
Larry Kinnan February 18, 2012 at 01:23 pm
Tim - I must applaud you for the most sensical and cogent commentary on this issue and thread. While Patrick claims to be a humorist his bent is to clearly disparage those who disagree with his liberal agenda. I think Amanda should have you writing blogs since you present clearly formed ideas that clearly state the issue and will allow intelligent discourse as opposed to masquerading as a "humorist" as Patrick does. Three cheers !!!!
Tim Torrence February 18, 2012 at 02:18 pm
Thank you kind sir. I probably could have wrote quite a bit more but there is such a thing as a character limit. By the way, I am pretty funny when you get to know me.
James Thomas February 18, 2012 at 02:47 pm
Karyn Creese,
“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.” — Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941" because he said it, I know it to be a lie and you should too. ... "
James Thomas February 18, 2012 at 03:09 pm
David Flexner,
the anology between the Holocaust and abortion is Right On. As an Irishman who is an heir to the 1 million deaths of the "Famine" I say that Callie E is far more on track than you. You are not the only person who can claim massive dead relatives. Armenians, Native Americans, the Irish and Muslims also have this claim. If individuals of these groups have come to the conclusion that life begins at conception we do not deserve to be grouped with those evil ones who would try to desecrate a woman's life (and I say try because I believe in a God who knows the dignity of every life through every trial).
James Thomas February 18, 2012 at 03:53 pm
LKSK,
I want no place in you or your husband's person, but I am not an "island". When what I see as life is washed away for any reason I am diminished. And if I "stand idly by" I am guilty of cowardice and selfishness.
* February 18, 2012 at 03:59 pm
James Thomas: ..."(and I say try because I believe in a God who knows the dignity of every life through every trial)."
Thank you for finally being honest, James. That's it. "Your god." You believe your god is the only god and your god is obviously right. Hasn't that mentality started plenty of wars throughout the centuries? If you haven't looked around in a while, there are many, many religions throughout the world. I'd like to think your Jesus would at least tolerate other religions if not love them because we are all human and all share the same blood, but then again, maybe your Jesus isn't as kind as some of the others I've read about. There are billions upon billions of people in this world and a plethora of religions, too. Who really knows? No one. Not you. Not me. No one. Anyone who says they do is definitely someone to beware of... The realistic thing isn't that we don't know everthing, it is that we don't know anything. None of us know anything. It's all part of the journey. "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."- Stephen Roberts I'm aware I've posted that quote before. I hope you understand that quote James, but I'm not sure you will.
James Thomas February 18, 2012 at 04:09 pm
Guess I'll throw in a quote Karyn:
No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as a manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Replace the word man with whichever word for humanity you wish. I am a man so I say man, if you are a woman, and say woman the meaning does not change. If you say child the meaning does not change. If you say fetus......?
Robert Bodi February 18, 2012 at 04:48 pm
The difference between the pro-life people and the pro-abortion people is pretty basic. In a pregnant woman, the pro-life position is that there are two people whose interests are involved, the mother and her baby. The pro-abortion side sees only one person. One cannot logically see the fetus as a separate human being and still support abortion without accepting the killing of an innocent human being.
And you speak of logic, yet make the ludicrous statement that if abortion is murder, why no fetuses have killed abortion doctors in self defense? That is the best that you can do for a logical argument? Wow! Regarding Republicans being small government (actually not universally true, it's conservatives that are for small government) but wanting to legislate morality, you obvioiusly haven't ever reviewed the criminal code, which is all about legislating morality, from prohibiting theft, murder, trespass, etc. What you miss is that conservatives are all for protecting individual liberty, but when one views a fetus as a separate and completely innocent human being, one cannot support abortion as an option. Conservatives believe that government has a place in protecting the innocent life, and no life is more innocent than that of a baby. And by the way, you have not only not solved anything with this article, you have only proven that you cannot even articulate a logical argument in support of your position.
maria February 18, 2012 at 04:57 pm
This issue can be discussed without God. LETS TALK IN PLAIN DOWN AND DIRTY TERMS SHALL WE? SOMETIMES LIFE SUCKS!!! IT IS A WORLD OF PAIN SUFFERING HUNGER FAMINE RAPE MURDER AND ON AND ON AND ON....
SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT ALL THE PEOPLE STARVING IN AFRICA AND YOUNG GIRLS BEING SOLD INTO PROSTITUTION HAVE A LESSER "RIGHT TO CHOOSE" THAN A WOMAN WHO FINDS HERSLEF IN WITH AN UNWANTED PREGANCY? I mean why does she deserve more of a choice than the millions of children who die hungry , the victims of genocide in Rwonda, i mean the list goes on and on. THE WORLD IS FULL OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO ENDURE HELL ON EARTH. . what about the people that are crying out right now? WHERE IS THEIR DAMN 'RIGHT TO CHOOSE?" We need to learn that none of us has a 'RIGHT' to anything. Everything we get is a gift. maybe if we spent more time being grateful for what we have instead of bemoaning what we dont then finding ourselves in a crisis pregnancy is not the end of life. We need to get over this entitlement mentality.LIfe is a gift. and you dont need to have Faith to believe that. None of us knows what will become of any child brought into the world under the best or the worst of conditions. LIve and let live. Give the child the 'RIGHT TO LIFE" and the mom can go live her life.Karyn are you a mom? Did you go around telling people you were carryign aorund some cells that you might come to love someday? AGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!
James Thomas February 18, 2012 at 06:04 pm
Karyn Creese,
Of me you say "You believe your god is the only god and your god is obviously right. Hasn't that mentality started plenty of wars throughout the centuries?" This is fact I cannot deny. Can you deny that on a day to day level "my God" and "my God's followers" are also those who gave the most of themselves to "Feed His Flock"? Come to my church and you will see. Will you deny that the "non god" of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Min, Castro, Kim Il Sung and Hitler surpassed all others for their brutality in trying to eliminate those who profess any God? You seem to allow these inhumanities a pass. You quote Stephen Roberts, I'll quote Leonard Cohen:"For you've never had a vision, and you never have been tempted; by the devil or the Lord."
James Thomas February 18, 2012 at 06:23 pm
Robert Bodi,
I wish I had had the ability to state what you have said as well as you have. Thank You.
Ken McEntee February 18, 2012 at 07:27 pm
"I hate logic." You wrote that twice in your post, Patrick. And I believe you.
James Thomas February 18, 2012 at 08:00 pm
Oh My,
are we back to talking about the actual blog?
* February 23, 2012 at 02:49 pm
Smallpox is remembered as the most devastating human diseases ever known to man. During the 20th century alone, smallpox was responsible for 300-500 million deaths world-wide – more deaths than occurred from all 20th century wars, combined. During the 18th century, the disease killed an estimated 400,000 Europeans each year and was responsible for a third of all blindness.
* February 23, 2012 at 02:51 pm
The high death rate from smallpox suggests that God’s plan is for it to be deadly. That is, vaccines interfere with God’s plan. Maybe we shouldn’t be using them.
Robert Bodi February 23, 2012 at 10:16 pm
There is no contradiction at all. An aborted child is completely innocent of any crime or sin, and thus the law has no right to take such a life if one assumes that a fetus is, in fact, a human being and a person. In contrast, the death penalty is in response to a crime where the person has been proven by law to be guilty. There is no innocent life being taken. This is a clear distinction. Not all people accept this distinction, and thus many against abortion also oppose the death penalty (e.g., the Catholic Church), but not all do.
Robert Bodi February 23, 2012 at 10:20 pm
So tell me, Beth, should children in orphanages also be killed becuase they are unwanted? What gives us the right to assume that a person would rather be dead than unwanted? Or dead than poor? Are you saying that people that are unwanted and poor are not worthy of life?
Oh, and by the way, conservatives have been shown to contribute much more to charity than liberals, and the Catholic Churche definitely does its part to take care of the poor and the unwanted.
Robert Bodi February 23, 2012 at 10:30 pm
The "right" to an abortion only exists because a bunch of Supreme Court justices distorted the U.S. Constitution to implement their own social policies, thereby taking away the right of the people to decide for themselves whether abortion should be legal or not. Prior to Roe, many states outlawed abortion (others permitted it), and no such "right" to abort existed universally. The Supreme Court created such a right out of thin air.
maria February 28, 2012 at 07:42 pm
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* March 1, 2012 at 03:53 pm
The case of the pregnant 9-year-old was shocking enough. But it was the response of the Catholic Church that infuriated many Brazilians. Archibishop Jose Cardoso Sobrinho of the coastal city of Recife announced that the Vatican was excommunicating the family of a local girl who had been raped and impregnated with twins by her stepfather, because they had chosen to have the girl undergo an abortion. The Church excommunicated the doctors who performed the procedure as well. "God's laws," said the archbishop, dictate that abortion is a sin and that transgressors are no longer welcome in the Roman Catholic Church. "They took the life of an innocent," Sobrinho told TIME in a telephone interview. "Abortion is much more serious than killing an adult. An adult may or may not be an innocent, but an unborn child is most definitely innocent. Taking that life cannot be ignored."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html#ixzz1nsg8BHvV
* March 1, 2012 at 03:53 pm
The case has caused a furor. Abortion is illegal in Brazil except in cases of rape or when the mother's life is in danger, both of which apply in this case. (The girl's immature hips would have made labor dangerous; the Catholic opinion was that she could have had a cesarean section.) When the incident came to light in local newspapers, the Church first asked a judge to halt the process and then condemned those involved, including the 9-year-old's distraught mother. Even Catholic Brazilians were shocked at the harshness of the archbishop's actions. "In this case, most people support the doctors and the family. Everything they did was legal and correct," says Beatriz Galli, the policy associate for Ipas Brasil, an NGO that fights to give women more say over their health and reproductive rights. "But the Church takes these positions that are so rigid that it ends up weakened. It is very intolerant, and that intolerance is going to scare off more and more followers."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1883598,00.html#ixzz1nsgZkG5I
Dan LaVigne March 1, 2012 at 05:07 pm
Where were the 216 comments when the catholic priests were raping and abusing children? Why were you not up in arms about this and how the highter ups covered it all up. One question since the church outlaws conterceptives I wonder if the priest who abused the children used protection?
* March 2, 2012 at 12:14 am
“Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn’t have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn’t, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I’ve always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can’t think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.”
- Rick Santorum calls a pregnancy which occurs because of a rape, “a gift in a very broken way”
Tim Torrence March 2, 2012 at 06:17 am
Let me tell you why every single pro-choice argument falls on def ears when directed at me. 40 years ago someone had unprotected sex. 40 years ago someone decided they could not raise a child for whatever reason. 40 years ago someone decided they would give their child up for adoption. 40 years ago someone decided that adopting a child and giving them a chance at life was a good idea. 40 years later I am writing this. Do you understand what I'm getting at here? The abortion debate always hinges on two things; when does life begin and a woman's right to choose. I wasn't given that option but I was given the third rail of the abortion debate. The one that puts every other argument to shame. The one that no one talks about until 40 years later when the only people arguing about abortion are the only ones not candidates for the procedure themselves.
jacqui jarmol April 10, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Very poor comment. Of course- it is the ABC mentality- Anything But Christianity.
I am a Christian and a Conservative. I do not hate Gays, Blacks, Hispanics,Poor People,Non-Christians, or Anyone else. I am against abortion because God said " I knew you before I put you in the womb" Jeremiah Chapter 1. God intends for us to be the Stewards of His creation. The Obamacare is part of the Socialist package being rammed down our throats.
Angela Shatraw October 24, 2012 at 01:00 pm
Abortion is taking a life...plain and simple. There is no possible way to deny that. If the government doesn't protect the unborn who will? Your comment(or disgusting joke) about why no doctor has been killed by an aborted fetus...horrible. In that case, it would be okay to kill a week old baby also...they can't defend themselves either, or for that matter a 2 year-old. How about we not make having children out to be such a burden, and stop being so selfish. No good can come from an abortion, no matter the circumstances. It is not a woman's right, that is ridiculous! We can be strong, powerful, and make great things happen. But let us still maintain a decency and class that we uphold life as the most precious of things. If you say that abortion is not taking a life, you are lying to yourself, If you do admit that it is taking a life, then it is murder. No grey areas, just black and white. Abortion being legal has not made the world a better place, it has only added to the selfishness of it. It is a sad world indeed.
Angela Shatraw October 24, 2012 at 01:09 pm
We judge the person who kills their infant, how is it any different? I think if you ask any pro-life person, they would be happy to pay higher taxes if it meant the stop to abortions. Unwanted children should be given up for adoption, maybe that is where we should focus our efforts. It is sad the state of this world. I am ashamed to be part of the human race sometimes.
Angela Shatraw October 24, 2012 at 01:13 pm
I totally agree. I claim no specific religious beliefs, but it plain to me that it is taking a life. Since I was a teenager, and understood this subject it has been an easy answer. It boggles my mind how someone can think other wise. Ridiculous!
Angela Shatraw October 24, 2012 at 01:22 pm
Why should we worry about protecting women who are seeking to kill their unborn child? This eats me up inside, I just don't get it. Why would someone choose to fight for something so horrible. Let's put our efforts into making the world a better place. Legal abortion has only led to over 50 million deaths of unborn children. To think that some people think abortion should be an option in the third trimester...they should be locked up!

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