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Aftermath of Issue 2: Meritless Ideas

Merit Pay for teachers is a delicious idea with not a lot of substance to it.

In the comes the idea of merit pay for teachers. 

It is an idea that crosses political lines, from the State of Ohio’s Republican Governor, to the nation’s Democratic President. And, I would imagine, if you asked the layman on the street if teachers should be paid according to their merits, that person would probably say that it’s a good idea.

Before we go any further down into this rabbit hole, let me first state that I am a teacher. And so the first argument I would imagine a pro-merit pay citizen would ask would be something along the lines of, “Why would teachers not want merit pay? If you’re a good one, you’ll be paid more.” 

And that’s if they were addressing me respectfully about the matter.

I can understand someone who is not involved in education on a daily basis asking me this question. Teachers, I think it’s safe to say, are not exactly the most well-paid profession. And, taken at face value, I, as a spectacular teacher (with not only a grade-A personality, but with the pedagogical skills and humor to back up my incredible charm), would almost certainly be paid as handsomely as I look.

Which leads us to my first, return question: “Where is all of this merit money coming from, exactly?” 

I may have spent too long looking in the mirror to notice a change in our state’s budget, but is there suddenly a wealth of money lying around waiting for teachers to suddenly be ok with the concept of merit pay, and to be doled out as bonuses for the hardest-working among us? Because that would be awesome. Maybe we’ll be getting some of that lottery money I keep hearing about.

No, I think we’ll have to be cutting some pay and laying off some other teachers to suddenly find that hidden treasure of money for which to pay my (soon to be exorbitant, I’m sure) merits.  Which leads me to a second, popular question I hear a lot: “Why do we protect teachers who have been tenured, and sacrificing our bright, young teachers when it comes to layoffs?”

To that, my response-question is simple: “When did we suddenly decide that, because someone has been teaching for 15, 20, 30 or more years, they are somehow “phoning it in” and not being held accountable?” 

Because I am in my seventh year, and I have benefitted infinitely from those teachers’ knowledge about student behavior and the so-called “business” of education. Their wisdom is, quite literally, invaluable.  And, like all teachers across the state with a bargaining agreement (underline: agreement) the vast majority of them are being reviewed locally, and subjected to licensure renewals at the state level, just like I am. 

Finding a common-sense refinement to that system can be an issue. Simply deciding that the fact that these people have spent more time in the classroom than I have should somehow leave them more exposed than I to being fired is ludicrous. They have met the state’s requirements to continue teaching in their schools and state. 

They have gone back to get continuing education credits and Master’s Degrees on their own nickel, and have undergone evaluations by their administrators in order to get tenure. If you want to improve that process, I’m sure everyone would be amenable to that discussion. But don’t jump through the illogical hoop of assumption that their experience doesn’t entitle them to higher salary and better job security because they’re older.

Finally, there is the issue of determining exactly how the state will (ultimately assuredly) decide that I am deserving of financial reward for my merits.  You could probably decide this on the testing of students, I suppose.

This assumes several  things, mostly that the test is an actual variable-free indicator of intelligence and finite determinant of the abstract concept of “smarter,” but also that all the students who take it care enough to even attempt to pass it. What if, gasp-and-God-forbid, some of the teenagers we teach just didn’t place the same level of importance on that test as I do? I have had several students who failed the tenth grade OGT admit to me that they’ve simply fallen asleep during it, or ABCDCBA’d it just because they didn’t have the patience to read everything and take the test. It’s anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But are these not real problems that could not possibly happen to any other teacher across the state?

So, what other merits might we judge teachers on? Student growth over several years has been discussed. So, if a student is somehow (and, again, no one has come up with a statistically and socioeconomically variable-free manner in which to do this) evaluated and judged to have grown a great deal over three years, do all three of his former teachers receive a raise? How much? How much is a tenth grader worth, anyways?  

And what if I were a HomeEc teacher? Would my merits be based on the deliciousness of the food my students create? Could I please get a raise if my students produce scrumdiddilyumptious, mouth-watering brownies?  Because the fate of my mortgage is on the horizon. Quick! Everyone get a taste!

Perhaps the Governor and the President would like one with nuts, to match the validity of merit pay.

Fivemilecrib November 21, 2011 at 10:29 am
liberty and freedom is what im about ..and i can debate it like a man.whith out name calling ..something you cant do ..typical for your side..
Janet Dean November 21, 2011 at 11:56 am
It seems strange to me that merit pay is touted as saving money while all the discussion is on raises.
To my knowledge, there was never any amount of savings listed anywhere as to what merit pay would save us. Instead, there was a constant buzz about paying teachers more if they earn it. If you look at the number of schools in Ohio that are rated excellent or excellent with distinction, does that mean those teachers should be in line for a raise? How many teachers, right now deserve a merit raise? Where will that money come from? If merit pay is such a great idea, why hasn’t ANYONE written down the plan so it can be discussed?
Fivemilecrib November 21, 2011 at 12:06 pm
jaet dean pleaese scroll back and read the 5 reasons for voting yes on 2
Donald R. Thompson November 21, 2011 at 07:52 pm
That's one of the Republicans old favorites...just trust us
Donald R. Thompson November 21, 2011 at 07:54 pm
The US hasn't fought a war that had to do with our freedom since WWII
Patrick Giusto November 21, 2011 at 08:13 pm
@Everyone: I appreciate your comments and discussion, but please keep a respectful tone to each other. If you're not going to discuss the problem objectively and maturely, I will remove your comments as inappropriate.
Issue 2 has been voted on and struck down. And, as Elizabeth mentioned earlier, it had very little to do with restructuring how teachers would be paid in the first place. So, like it or not, Issue 2 and unions are (no pun intended) not the issue here anymore. We're now discussing merit pay, which is a separate (albeit not entirely) discussion. My essay was a humorous poke at what has been discussed as the manner in which teachers will be paid in the future, and why I feel these measurements are arbitrary and do not account for several variables in what a teacher's "merits" might be. I'd love to hear more from everyone on what might qualify as a good way to implement such a system-- or more on why one can't exist-- but we need to stay on topic and be nice to each other, please. And since someone brought it up: I can deal with bad spelling and grammar. If you're careless with those things, that's your cross to bear. What hurts this country more is when people can't have a civil, well-researched, intelligent discussion about how to fix our problems.
James Thomas November 23, 2011 at 12:20 am
DRT,
sort of like "we have to pass this bill to find out what's in it".
Debbie S. November 23, 2011 at 11:48 am
Here is a fascinating blog post which explores why current incentive systems are statistically flawed and how testing alone simply CANNOT evaluate what we hope to accomplish and leads to even MORE flawed incentive systems.
http://autodizactic.com/blog/?p=1517
Ed Kent November 23, 2011 at 01:11 pm
Patrick said, "...I will remove your comments as inappropriate."
I didn't realize bloggers, such as this teacher from Ohio, have the editorial ability to actually remove comments. Is this true? I thought only those who work for Patch.com can do that. I realize anyone can flag comments if they see they violate Patch rules and then it's up to Patch editors to remove it. I haven't followed these comments, but happened to read this one and was surprised.
Patrick Giusto November 23, 2011 at 08:10 pm
Ok. I amend my statement to: "I will flag your comment as inappropriate, and then email my friend the editor to evaluate it further on my behalf." Better?
Patrick Giusto November 23, 2011 at 08:12 pm
Thank you, Debbie, for adding to the discussion.
Patrick Giusto November 23, 2011 at 08:15 pm
James,
Then what suggestions do you have that pays teachers differently, and which avoid these so-called "financial disaster targets" you speak of?
James Thomas November 24, 2011 at 02:15 pm
PG,
There are no options to avoid them now. The choice can only be to pay fewer public employees the money available or spread the money available among them. That choice is in the hands of the Public Workers. When the money isn't there you can't spend it.
Patrick Giusto November 24, 2011 at 03:27 pm
James, et. al: What I think is being lost by a lot of people talking on here is that a lot of you don't seem to understand that school districts cannot negotiate a collective bargaining agreement with money they don't have. That's not how the CBA process works. A school district treasurer cannot sign off on a collective bargianing agreement with money they do not have. That would be illegal. So the choice has ALWAYS been "to pay fewer public employees the money available or spread the money available among them." The union and the district come together to decide that every time they work out a new contract.
Besides, as has been pointed out several times in the comments of this blog, the BUDGET that John Kasich pushed through deletes the step-raise process in favor of a merit pay system that has not even been laid out yet. SB5/Issue 2 did not prevent unions from negotiating salaries. Here is a link to a CONSERVATIVE FAQ on SB5. If you read #12, you will see what I am talking about: http://www.aproundtable.org/pdfs/FAQonOH_SB5.pdf As I said earlier, I encourage you all to understand the process of CBAs, and what unions do, before you let your concerns get the better of you.
James Thomas November 24, 2011 at 04:58 pm
PG,
we are not dealing with "money they don't have". We are dealing with contracts and conditions negotiated when the money was there and a current situation where that money is NO longer there. not obtainable, and won't be for some time. You can ask space for your next breath but it just can't supply it.
Donald R. Thompson November 24, 2011 at 05:19 pm
I guess that makes Kasich a liar again, his position is that the elimination of the estate tax will bring Ohio billions of dollars of tax dollars that previosly would flee Ohio.....BS meter "Pants on Fire"
James Thomas November 24, 2011 at 06:44 pm
DRT,
are you stuck on Kasich? Ending the estate tax will KEEP money in Ohio (not bring). I know this for a personal fact because my wife and I were actively discussing avoiding the Ohio Estate Tax with our feet on retirement and are not now. Whose pants are combusting here?
william November 25, 2011 at 05:40 pm
James, Dont do Ohio any favors. An aging population has a major impact on the state and local tax structure. It increases spending and reduces revenue. The Elimination of the Ohio Estate tax was a bad idea.
James Thomas November 26, 2011 at 01:41 pm
william,
what a cold, heartless, democrat thing to say.
william November 26, 2011 at 03:30 pm
James ! First i am a republican. I held a major position under two republican mayors in my time. Secong it is the truth. How can a true statement be cold and heartless.
James Thomas November 26, 2011 at 04:27 pm
william,
I'm a republican too. Doesn't change the fact that " Dont do Ohio any favors" by growing older is as cold and heartless as the true statement "cancer kills".
Donald R. Thompson November 26, 2011 at 05:13 pm
The elimination of the estate tax will not do what the proponents believe, it effected few estates as a percentage of the total estates settled each year. Eliminating the Ohio State income tax would have been far more helpful to working Ohioans, that was a Kasich campaign promise early on in his candidacy.....wonder what happened to that short lived promise??
Eighty percent of the money from the tax goes to local governments, which have strongly opposed any changes. In the fiscal year that ended in June, local governments' coffers got $230.8 million from the tax. John Mahoney, deputy director of the Ohio Municipal League, has said the cities would have no way to make up the money. "It pulls the rug out from underneath a whole lot of local governments," he said. Grossman, a Grove City Republican, said local governments wouldn't feel the effect of the repeal for two years. She expects job growth will help them make up some of the difference. The tax isn't a large source of revenue for Ohio, which gets the remaining 20 percent. The state took in about $55 million from the tax last fiscal year. That's about one-third of 1 percent of overall tax revenue the state received
Colin McEwen (Editor) November 27, 2011 at 06:08 am
Patrick's right. Refer to our terms of use for clarification. http://lakewood-oh.patch.com/terms Play nice, friends.
Ed Kent November 29, 2011 at 03:53 pm
Speaking of estate tax; doesn't it seem strange to tax money/property that's already been taxed? If I've already paid taxes on what I earn then shouldn't it go to whomever I wish upon my death and not be taxed again? I've already paid the tax. Anyone who sees it as fit to tax what's already been taxed is someone just looking for anyway possible to bring more money into government hands since they can't seem to live within their budgets and therefore they go after a dead man's already taxed possessions instead of letting their children benefit.
william November 29, 2011 at 05:01 pm
Ed, that same logic could be used for sales tax also.
Donald R. Thompson November 29, 2011 at 06:00 pm
Ed Kent,
The most any estate pays is 7%...93% goes to the heirs....redundant taxes are all over the place...fair taxes...HAHA...are you kidding no such thing, grow up!! How about individual income tax...we pay on gross while corporations pay on their profit alone...I'd think it much more fair if I paid on my income after all NEEDED expenses!! How about sales tax...taxes we all are paying after we have already been taxed ...FAIR??...no. Gasoline taxes.....Sin Taxes??? WTF?? to pay for useless sports stadiums...U THINK THAT'S FAIR???? What are u smoking..give me some, it must be really high quality Gonge.
Patrick Giusto November 29, 2011 at 08:07 pm
How did you guys go from "teacher merit pay" to "the estate tax"? Let's try to stay on topic here.
Jake Racketch November 30, 2011 at 07:07 pm
Ed, I think you'll find support for those statements pretty much ANYwhere. No one wants to lose, even if it is only 7%, any part of something left behind by the death of someone.
The problem is TIMING. Why on God's green earth would ANYONE in their right mind eliminate ANY state revenue NOW? Our problems were and still are much larger than misplaced or unfair taxes! But to eliminate them NOW serves what purpose? That Kasich, Batchelder, or any of the governor's cronies claim that by eliminating it, the economy is stimulated is laughable, unproven, and likely a complete load of you-know-what. I guess we'll have to wait and see just how big that load of you-know-what is. Meanwhile, the focus COULD have been on something that GENERATES state revenue. You know, because of that $8 billion budget shortfall Kasich thought he could help fix by eliminating unions for public employees? Or the current proposal to pay teachers according to performance, an impossible endeavor from no matter what angle you approach, and meager (if any) savings to local and state governments? This governor, elected on the platform of a new, brazen approach to governance, is fixing things with the old, tired "rob Peter to pay Paul" approach. I hope the 49% that elected him are happy.
Jake Racketch December 1, 2011 at 04:18 pm
Good question up there, Janet!
There IS no definite savings because, at best, a merit pay system simply redistributes the funds for salaries. So, instead of two teachers with the same number of years service and level of education making the same salary, the one deemed the better teacher *(see below)* gets the money the one deemed the worse teacher would've gotten. The only argument that merit pay actually saves money is that by a teacher continually being deemed as sub-par, they can put some sort of disciplinary measure in place and possibly get rid of him/her and his/her potentially high salary. *Deemed better according to what? --Higher standardized test results? (What about unequal populations of students? What about no standardized test in that teacher's subject area? What about collaborative efforts and planning when the results are now monetarily competitive?) --Better value-added scores? (see previous questions) --Administrative evaluations? (This is NOT like private sector jobs, when turnover rate of administrators is likely higher than the average business. What about administrators lacking expertise in the teacher's content area? --Peer evaluations? (Riiiiight) --Student/parent evaluations? (Riiiiiiiight)
Debbie S. December 8, 2011 at 08:03 pm
If you believe standardized testing is effective and teacher pay should be based on it, please read this article about a school board member in Florida with a bachelor's degree, two master's degrees, & hours toward a doctorate. He got a D on his state's 10th grade standardized graduation test. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/revealed-school-board-member-who-took-standardized-test/2011/12/06/gIQAbIcxZO_blog.html

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