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How Much More Can America Take?

How ignorant can we go?

How much more can America take? 

Ignorance is not a sin.  We all are terribly ignorant in many different fields of endeavor.  Ignorance, however, spills over into being stupid when one chooses to remain ignorant.  When anyone says “don’t confuse me with the facts my mind is made up” is being stupid.  When someone refuses to question or investigate conflicting beliefs and behaviors -- they are “being” stupid.  No one “is“ stupid, but there are a lot of stupid beliefs and behaviors that people readily buy into.  “Stupid is as stupid does” (F. Gump).

In 1980 American was number one in all of these but is now ranked 25th in math, 14th in reading, 19th in science and 26th in problem solving.  It gets worse.

The Republican Party is now officially the majority stupid party.  Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Republicans literally believe that Adam and Eve romped with dinosaurs at the formation of earth ten thousand years ago.  The Democratic Party has 41% (Gallup Poll June 2012).  The Democrats, at least, keep their stupid beliefs to themselves, and are better then the national average of 46%.

Ever since Reagan gave the Dixiecrats/ Evangelicals (Fundamentalists) a sanctioned platform within the Republican Party, the stupid conservatives have been on a long-term, methodical destruction of public education.  The Religious Right has successfully organized into a political force lobbying federal and state legislatures into adopting policies that promote prayer in schools and curricular reform including creationism and religious dogma.  They have done this in three ways:  first by taking over school boards and positions of teaching policies, second by de-funding public schools, and third by pushing the voucher system.  The voucher system is aimed at supporting private religious schools and stay at home co-ops. 

The goal is: the education institution teaches the fundamentalist's religious beliefs.  They want all schools to explain the origins of earth by Creation as opposed to Evolution.  By taking over school boards et al the stupids have managed to disparage 800 years of science, thousands of scientists and millions of scientific research hours in archaeology, paleontology, genetics, biology, chemistry and physics etc...

Just for the record, to you stupids who are reading this: earth formed about 4.5 billion years ago, first life was 2.7 (maybe 3.5) billon years ago, dinosaurs dominated approximately 200 million to 65.5 million years ago, humanoids around 3.4 million years ago (maybe 7.1 million) and modern man within 37 thousand years ago.

Congratulations to the anti-science, myopic, obtuse Republican Party for doing such a good job at decimating our education system.  My only question is how much longer is conservatism going to be legitimized before we get back to our liberal ways and being number one?

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Joesph Stallard June 28, 2012 at 06:43 PM
How can you say "You cannot show a common ancestor between man and any other living being on this planet." and " I do not pray to any God and I do believe in evolution" in the same argument? I also do not pray to any God - and do not know what to believe yet about how we were created. I just feel pretty comfortable calling someone stupid if they believe the earth is only 10,000 years old. It may be offensive, but I'm not sorry for that. If someone tells me that the earth was created 6000 years ago - I am automatically not interested in learning anything from them because I think they are ignorant. Just as if someone told me the earth was flat I would think they were dumb. Without picking sides, I have seen a lot more dumb people in the religious camp than that of the science camp. As you see in my previous post - I respect and admire the leap of faith of these people.
Pastor Chris June 28, 2012 at 06:47 PM
The original article is about our education system and has now turned into something all together different. But I have enjoyed reading the exchange of ideas. Joseph...there are all kinds of theories on the existence of God, origins of man (from humanistic, secular, and religious perspectives). Too many for us to discuss on the patch. You are correct no one was there...so we cannot claim to know how it all began with empirical scientific data...we cannot observe it. We do have cause and effect...and the theory of first cause. We also have the Biblical account - which is a first hand account from my position. We also have what we do observe today, which supports creation more than it does evolutionary theory. As for the origins of man...we were created...not evolved from lower beings. There is much support for this; evolutionist say we have a "missing link" in the fossil records, that is because there is no link. Man was created, we did not evolve from lower life forms. As for carbon dating, be careful, this is being questioned by many scientists because it is inaccurate and inconsistent. Carbon dating is proving to be unreliable. You can find reports that support both positions on carbon dating. At a minimum we must realize it is under scrutiny and in many ways is being discredited. I think right now the dating of the earth is in question. I am okay with that. I am comfortable allowing science wrestle with these issues.
Joesph Stallard June 28, 2012 at 06:50 PM
I actually believe more in the alien theory than the creationist theory - at least the alien people admit they are still looking for answers. The Church pretty much feels there is nothing more to learn. That is what specifically turns me off to their approach. Science and Aliens win in the fact alone that they admit that the answers are still to be discovered. Ask the church what is unknown about the creation of man and you will be scolded. I say this from experience at a Catholic school for 12 years. If you ask anyone "in what year the world was created"? the party that gives an answer is wrong in my book because they admit they are no longer asking the question. We're probably more alike than you think. I just feel a little more comfortable calling people stupid today. Now if you want to argue over how beneficial Obamacare could be if those nutjob republicans would quit making an election campaign out of it - I'm in! - pleasure debating with you Tim
Joesph Stallard June 28, 2012 at 07:01 PM
Pastor Chris - I have read all your posts on this article, and honestly feel you are a good person, and appreciate your respectful approach to the subject matter. This quote struck me as funny: "Creationist are simply scientists who have the presupposition that there is a Creator and they viewing the evidence from that perspective and draw conclusions and form theories based on that." this kinda goes against what you are supposed to do with evidence. It's like saying " Scientist are really just priests that don't believe in God yet, but as soon as they discover some evidence - they are sure to be accepted by the Catholic church" Just as it is important to be trained in any religious faith to be qualified for that position, it requires formal study and education to be a scientist.
Pastor Chris June 28, 2012 at 07:09 PM
Joseph...thanks for the respectful words and for sharing your various views. Perhaps someday we will cross paths. This would make for great discussions. Don't think we would ever agree...but it would definitely be interesting. Take care to all, I am patched out for a while.
Phyllis Stager June 28, 2012 at 08:18 PM
Free speech is not in question here. But if you wish to express your opinion be ready to have responses from all ends of the spectrum. I should think that disagreeing with a blogger's opinion is included in your free speech claim! To ridicule a religious sect and call them 'stupid' is rather hateful, don't you think, Ms Brunstetter-Reynolds? I am the farthest thing from a 'creationist' from what I understand they represent, but ridicule is a poor tool for refutation.
Alex White June 28, 2012 at 08:21 PM
@ ML B-R...outstanding rebuke.
Alex White June 28, 2012 at 08:43 PM
@PS... The Supreme Court just ruled on the law punishing individuals who claim to be recipients of military medals who are not. No matter how despicable, cowardly, or pathetic that action is, the court upheld the right of people to be stupid. In summation, one Justice stated that people have a 1st Amendment right to say stupid things and to embarrass themselves whether other people agree with it or not, or with the manner in which that stupidity is undertaken-- rude, unintelligent, impolite, false, etc. What's the harm in letting a Blogger openly blog his opinion? In this way, we the reader-- diverse as we are in both thoughts and opinions-- can accurately and realistically gage his position. Since, he's not actually advocating hurting anyone different than himself by his obviously "pointed" speech, it is not actually "Hate Speech." He's merely stating an opinion. And we all know what they say about that.... And we are all free to change the channel, as they say.
James Murphy June 28, 2012 at 09:16 PM
Wow Tim, Very well put (did I just agree with tim ??) >>>> walks away shaking head
tom m June 29, 2012 at 07:16 AM
detroit .... somehow I think your not going to make it past the censors with that rant .....good luck
Phyllis Stager June 29, 2012 at 12:41 PM
Tom...that was my whole point. Keith pronounced that since some alleged percent of republicans (more than democrats) believe in 'creation', this proved that republicans are stupid. I submitted my 'random' statements and questions contrasting republicans and democrats....as somewhat of an analogy. I don't consider my statements proof of anything. But from what I presented...I could go on and try to convince you of what ever I wanted. LOL! I agree with your comment on education.
keith a dewey June 30, 2012 at 03:06 PM
The biggest public school system is Texas. The state board of education has 10 stupid creationist to 5 liberals go see how they have decimated education. As a liberal I prove things by science. If I can't prove something then it is in the catagory of "I don't know." Which is fine. If you can't prove something then you don'[t know.
keith a dewey June 30, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Joesph: Thanks. I blog two facts: one by Gallop Poll and one by an educational ranking foundation. These are not opinons. My conclusions are opinions, rather then beliefs, because, I do not have enough information. Watch how the conservatives screw this up. No one in these replys really came up with a counter argument. Sad.
Phyllis Stager June 30, 2012 at 03:20 PM
@Keith: July 2011, Texas Board of Education unanimously come down on the side of EVOLUTION, vote was 14-0. Say that again about Texas....and your FACTS!! LOL!!
keith a dewey June 30, 2012 at 03:24 PM
Joesph, good going. But it is really simple. By the way I never mentioned a god. One can believe in a god and still know that the earth is 4.52 billion years old. The creationists have one source. The bible. A badly edited exaggeration of history. Science has, as stated, 800 years, thousands of scientest, and millions of hours in research. If the Bible is correct try and prove it. There is no flaw in evolution just some "I don't knows."
Phyllis Stager June 30, 2012 at 03:27 PM
@Keith: They (Texas) did NOT approve the creationist backed supplements from International Databases, LLC., unanimously.
Denny June 30, 2012 at 04:38 PM
I totally agree with your post and Chris 9:56 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012 These Keiths are the reason this country is as screwed up as it is today. What is hard to fathom is that people keep re-electing politicians with Keith's mindset. Pelosi, Reid, etc. They pass out entitlements like candy insuring the minions too dumb to see the big picture continue to vote for them.
Phyllis Stager June 30, 2012 at 05:06 PM
@ Denny: Early last century Great Britain initiated the 'Dole' (welfare) for the unemployed. As mining shut down, many miners were out of work. The miners self image prevented many of them signing up as they viewed it as 'charity' and their hard working, steady, responsible self view had difficulty with the 'shame' of taking 'hand outs'. By the time their grand children were reaching adulthood, the bulk of the youth of Britain were seeking ways, schemes, and 'stories' to GET ON the Dole. This is a prevalent mind set for many in Britain today. Can't the liberal mind set see the danger to a thriving society should this become the culture in the USA? Those in genuine need for survival and health care must definitely be taken care of, but when it becomes a way of life to live off the taxpayer/worker/government, we are heading for our own Greek Armageddon.
Kate Bigam July 05, 2012 at 02:49 AM
Caring about politics in no way dishonors God - & having different political views than you, "pastor," certainly doesn't.
Pastor Chris July 05, 2012 at 03:33 AM
Kate Bigam...just so you know the CHRIS you are responding to in your comment was not "PASTOR CHRIS". So it was not my view you were questioning. Just wanted to make sure that was clarified. I did have some very respectful exchanges of ideas with various people on this discussion, all in the positive. It is okay for people to have differing views and I think for the most part most of this chain of comments was productive and very few made it personal or made attacks. Anyway, I saw your post and wanted to make sure you were aware CHRIS is not PASTOR CHRIS. Take care and happy 4th of July everyone.
Amanda Harnocz July 05, 2012 at 04:00 AM
I get Patched out too every once and awhile! haha
Tom Tucker July 05, 2012 at 10:36 AM
"Tom, why does Jean need to substantiate her claim when the original claim has no citation?" That's not how it works. She's making a claim, then she can back it up.
Phyllis Stager July 05, 2012 at 12:52 PM
@ Keith: I just checked the poll you are referring to. It does state 58% of 'republicans' believe in creationism. But, interestingly enough, 41% of democrats also believe in creationism as do 39% of independents. In total 46% of Americans believe in Creationism. By your standard, Independents are the least 'stupid' of all. And..I think there are two concepts of 'creationism'. 1. God created man and earth somewhere within the past 10,000. 2. God created man within the parameters of evolution. I don't know if these was differentiated in the poll.
Phyllis Stager July 05, 2012 at 12:53 PM
that last sentence should read: I don't know if these were differentiated in the poll.
Kate Bigam July 05, 2012 at 02:00 PM
Pastor Chris, thanks for the clarification. My comment stands, but redirected. :)
Victor Mooney July 05, 2012 at 03:04 PM
My Opinion of stupid: A large group of bloggers who allow someone to blame Conservatives for the condition of our educational system, place every problem known to America at the feet of same, and then sit back and watch them argue about Religion, creationism, etc. We should not allow a typical, Liberal, Union Stooge to guide our thoughts, or discussions. Next, we`ll have to listen to "Global Warming" is the cause of our 17 million debt, the complete lost of respect worldwide , and the errosion of our freedoms, ad infinitum! Whether my God is better than your God will be revealed soon enough---the current problem is the survuval of our way of life----do we follow the Unions and their paid OWS brethren, who attempt to intimidate the electorate, and the ELECTED, or do we try to bring some semblance of fiscal responsibility to our leadership. A Free Republic or A Socialist-Marxist Tyranny? ---It`s Time To Choose!!! Thank you for your kind attention!
Earl Elevant July 05, 2012 at 04:43 PM
It's good to see trolls are allowed to write articles in Local Voices.
Phyllis Stager July 05, 2012 at 05:19 PM
@Earl: Maybe we can help enlighten the poor fellow. The only thing I got out of his presentation is that Republicans are proven stupid and that is why our educational standing internationally is so poor. Rather simplistic in its premise...and without any step by step logic to validate this opinion. He goes on a tirade against religion and republicans. He conveniently doesn't reveal that 41% of the democrats poll in agreement with 58% of the republicans. It would seem to me if his premise were true...a lot democrats certainly participate in contributing to this poor educational rating 'result'. LOL!
keith a dewey July 07, 2012 at 02:48 AM
Phyllis Stager, I now know your problem. You don't read everything before you respond.
keith a dewey July 07, 2012 at 03:18 AM
OK this may be a false syllogism and again it may not but no one in here has scientific proof either way. Here is my premise. From 1933 to final abdication in 1980 the liberals were in charge, waning from 1968. The liberals brought us from a backwater isolationist’s country to number one in the world. Waxing from 1968 and culminating in 1980 until now the conservatives have been in charge. During that time we have fallen from most of the honorable top 10 lists. The liberals have not changed from 1933. For nearly 40 years the liberals were in charge and American became number one. We advocated then, and still do, for strong unions. We advocated in 1933 for a strong regulatory government and still do. We advocated a strong safety net then and still do. And we became number one in the world. Enter the conservatives and we have fallen. These are facts.

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