New Get Go Gas Station Sparks Concern in the Neighborhood

A couple fliers circulating in the neighborhood of the proposed new Get Go gas station at the southwest corner of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue. Public meeting set for Wednesday.

There are a couple pieces of literature circulating around the neighborhood of the at the southwest corner of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue.

The first — stuck to doors and left on porches — cautions residents about the possible negative effects of a gas station. The flier warns falling property values, pollution, increased traffic and undesirable consequences on local business.

This comes after ’s proposal earlier this month to build a 5,600-square-foot brick building, with multiple gas pumps, at the property that it once owned.

The city responded with a letter of its own — and an invitation to discuss the issue further, at a meeting set to take place at at 6 p.m. March 28. 

Penned by Dru Siley, the city’s director of planning and development, and Ward 3 councilman Shawn Juris, the city’s flier explains that the the city and the Pittsburgh-based grocer had “preliminary discussions” regarding the proposal.

At the city’s architectural board of review meeting, board members asked about the proximity of the proposed gas station to neighboring homes. Giant Eagle officials said that the existing board-on-board fencing dividing the properties would remain as a “buffer” between the residential neighborhood to the south. 

Giant Eagle sold its property across the street at 14013 Detroit Avenue to Urban Active in 2007. However, plans at the site to build a workout facility never came to fruition.

The building has been vacant since 2007, when Giant Eagle finished its move across the street to 14100 Detroit Avenue.

“Preliminary discussions” also included at the corner of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue. However, Giant Eagle representatives recently told city officials those plans are on hold until at least 2013.

Officials said demolition of the existing GetGo structure — a grocery store that’s gone by a few names in its history — could begin by June. Construction could be completed by the holidays.

“We’d like to get the details and get going,” Pat Avolio, the director of real estate development for Giant Eagle, told Lakewood Patch earlier this month.

Avolio, who directed questions to the company’s public relations department in Pittsburgh, said the existing Get Go property at the intersection of Manor Park and Detroit avenues would likely be sold.

The original Bill March 27, 2012 at 05:02 PM
Barbara this is not going to be another Giant Eagle. It is going to be a GetGo gas station with a convenience store. It is not going to replace the grocery store since it will not be a full service grocery. I also seriously doubt this will fail. Look at all the customers at the existing GetGo at Manor Park.
lisa March 27, 2012 at 05:02 PM
what is the difference if its were it is or across the street?
Mark justmark March 27, 2012 at 06:08 PM
I'll concede that I, like most other people, would prefer that development took some other form than a gas station. But, this is a reasonable development. - The current Get-Go was put on a awkward site and is completely overwhelmed. - The gas station is needed and placing it on the corner of two busy streets will provide the opportunity to capture a lot of business. - That extra capacity should translate to more revenue, which will in turn mean more tax revenue to the City...which helps us all. - Some might point out (and object to) that gas stations experience a lot of traffic, take truck delivery, keep long hours, and have bright lights. The thing is, so do grocery stores...which is what was there just 5 or 6 years ago. The previous business had hundreds of customers per day, took their deliveries by truck, kept long business hours, and their high-mast lighting is still in place on the property. - The property is zoned for this use. There used to be a commercial venue on this property. Directly across Bunts was a service station. Directly across Detroit is a convenience store, a restaurant, and a grocery store. While the gas station clashes with the residential homes behind it, it does match the other business which front the same streets. - At least this has the potential to be a thriving business...which is both (a) something Lakewood needs more of, and (b) better than the nothing that is there now.
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 09:34 PM
Well, lets discount the fellow that calls himself "Wild Amish" or "Rubin Yoder". I responded to four posters--not exactly what I would call a representative sample. No I would not rather Lakewood just let vacant areas sit empty. But short-sighted development plans that reduce the appeal and value of Lakewood is not the answer. Development for developments sake is not the answer. I wasn't concerned living next to a commercial property. I am concerned living next to a gas station that does not meet the standards outlined in Lakewood city's own document about community vision. I bought the house because I believed that reasonable people would not allow such a travesty. You sound exactly like the type of person that is going to cry about their property values when Lakewood is a dump full of over-sized, inappropriate commercial buildings and slums caused when good citizens and homeowners leave
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 09:43 PM
Alexandra Again, I am absolutely NOT opposed to development. I too welcome a Rockport project--residences and shops--great idea. Quaker Steak and Lube--a restaurant--great idea. But can you honestly tell me that this compares to a gas station. What benefits does a gas station confer on a community. There are plenty of gas stations in Lakewood, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County and Ohio. I have never had an issue finding a gas station.
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 09:45 PM
Well not all of North Olsmted, but specifically the area around Lorain Avenue. It used to be a nice rural/suburban community. Unrestrained development led to one commercial strip, strip mall, mall, etc. Go to Columbia road, head south to Lorain and than west on Lorain and see what development unrestrained leads to. I am sure Bill would love to live there.
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 09:54 PM
Clever. Rick, I at least admire the fact that you identify yourself with a first and last name. Clearly, you and i are, and always will be, on opposing sides on this issue. Don't worry, I am realist enough to know you and your love will win in the end. One thing to keep in mind--Topps. Regos, Giant Eagle--they all leave you in the end. Your fellow citizens, however, including those who will never be able to leave due to reduced property values, will always be here.
Alicia March 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM
Giant Eagle can't even be relied upon to shovel the snow from their sidewalks in the winter. They REGULARLY leave the sidewalk unplowed even when all the other businesses have cleared theirs. You can tell it is Giant Eagle, because their sidewalks will be covered and icy, then you walk past the apartment buildings across clear sidewalks, and the [present] GetGo's sidewalk is snow-covered. So we have more of this to look forward to?
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 10:52 PM
Tia I live on Bunts. 100 feet from the project. Can't we at least have a project that takes into consideration our welfare and well-being? Should we not have a say in the scale and the design of something that will almost certainly impact our lives and the value of our homes? Whether you want a gas station or not--don't we have a say?
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM
David Thank you for your thoughtful and non-partisan input. Can we at least agree that the Getgo should reflect some of the community's input?
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 11:07 PM
The current location of the Getgo has been a gas station for a very long time. It is an appropriate size for its location. Home values in that area have already taken into account the proximity of a gas station. Putting in a new gas station will adversely effect homes that up to this point were not close to a gas station. FYI, these locations are not across the street from each other
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM
Brian As I have stated in my other posts--no, I would not have opposed a more suitable development. When I moved here, the present location of Giant Eagle was a Topps and the proposed Getco location was the Giant Eagle. I appreciated the fact that I could walk to these places and that they were a positive influence on the neighborhood. A gas station is an entirely different thing. A 16 pump gas station with a 6000 square foot "convenience store" is an entirely different matter. In a perfect world, no gas station would go into this area,.but at the very least can't we have more imagination?
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 11:23 PM
Mark I worry that Detroit will become Brookpark Road, Lorain Ave etc. The good citizens will leave and what will you have? These stores come and go. It is the homeowner's that make the difference. Short term tax revenues do not mean long term viability. It is a time worn truth.
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 11:26 PM
i know all too well what you speak of, but must continue to push against the windmills--Thank you Don Quixote
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 11:37 PM
I am so glad you brought this up. The GetGo design has plenty of pretty features like trees and "water gardens" And if you believe that these will actually be in the final construction or properly maintained, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. The current Giant Eagle does a terrible job of maintaining its landscaping or capturing its trash. If they cannot even keep stock of their shopping carts(which litter the surrounding neighborhood), can you imagine them handling large quantities of gasoline?
Matt Herberger March 27, 2012 at 11:41 PM
What is your agenda?
Joe Hildebrandt March 27, 2012 at 11:42 PM
Cat I disagree, as a resident that will be effected by Mcdonalds I live right down the street) I felt that the city did its job: Listened to residents feedback, addressed architectural issues, and allowed free enterprise to take its course. Just because you didnt like the outcome doesnt mean they didnt do their part. I saw our mayer several times outside the theater watching traffic, talking to residents, etc...
The original Bill March 28, 2012 at 04:16 AM
You are right Matt I would like to live there on one of the side streets in a neighborhood where all the commercial development along Lorain Rd means much lower property taxes for the homeowners. If I would be thinking to buy in North Olmsted I wouldn't buy a house on Columbia, Clague or Lorain and then complain about the traffic.
The original Bill March 28, 2012 at 04:19 AM
Yeah Matt we all know how people are leaving North Olmsted in droves because of all the development. Get a clue.
Barbara March 28, 2012 at 07:41 AM
Bill, I must have missed something. I thought the plan was for a GE 'Market District' store. And for the record, I didn't see the point of THAT plan either. I am opposed to another gas station, and also another convenience store.
Renee March 30, 2012 at 02:48 AM
I live on Parkhaven and I have read through these posts. I am strongly opposed to it because it will lower our property values among many other things. We want this space developed but we are talking about a Gas Station with 16 pumps!! How does that even compare to any other prospect? The city touted the fact that there are 51,000 residents in Lakewood and the most densely populated city between Chicago and New York so this Get Go needs to service 51,000 people? And, by the way, the city keeps saying this is a private transaction that is legal as long as they conform to zoning requirements. I would like to note that according to the county auditor Giant Eagle doesn't own that property yet. It is still in the name of P&P Realty LLC and it was noted at the meeting that Echo Realty has a "contract." My guess is they have this proposal to go to the City and if it is approved the "contract" will go forward but if it is not, it won't. So, I wonder who is really running this? They obviously do not care what their residents want and Giant Eagle wants to make sure they have no competition -- ever. By making this property Get Go they are insuring that another grocery store cannot compete with them as has been the case in the past (Pick N Pay, Tops, Regos, Krogers) so any discounts you may think you are getting at the pump will be adjusted through their grocery prices. I would like to know how our "citizen led boards" would feel if a gas station was moving next door to them.
Renee March 30, 2012 at 03:06 AM
You know, after reading over the posts again, I really need to point out that we are not opposed to developing that property! Of course we want it developed! Just not a gas station. It is not like we don't have gas stations to go to. Do you think this is going to draw people to Lakewood? Hey, come live in Lakewood where we have a Get Go gas station with 16 pumps! There is so much potential here to make something of this property that will draw people to Lakewood and we all know there is not much space in Lakewood. Why a gas station? My hope is that this can be stopped. They don't own the property yet -- at least according to the County Auditor. And, why doesn't the city ask for focus groups of Lakewood residents to get input from the community on what they would like to see in Lakewood and pursue those avenues for development?
Tim Torrence March 30, 2012 at 05:12 AM
I understand everyone's apprehension about placing a gas station in this location and it seems that the gasoline is the problem. But some of the reasons are simply baseless. First it is not going increase traffic. No one in their right mind is going to drive down Detroit avenue just for gas. Most of the people who are going to use this station are the people getting fuel perks across the street and that is what GE wants. They placed a Get-Go right next to the store on W.117th. Second, kids aren't going to get hit by cars. That is the same old argument brought out over every business that tries to come into Lakewood. They said the same thing when Walgreens wanted a store at Detroit and W.117th WHERE I LIVE so I know a thing or two about this situation. Low and behold no increased traffic, no increase in kids getting hit by cars, no increased crime. I think reading a previous article on patch concerning this property will shed some more light on the subject. But more importantly I hope Matt doesn't leave me out of his counter posting marathon.
Renee March 30, 2012 at 12:37 PM
You know I understand what you are saying about traffic and children, but again, Walgreens or just about anything else is not going to lower your property value. A gas station will.
Chris Olsen March 30, 2012 at 02:32 PM
lets get the west end project back on the ballot, that will get people talking again
Lakewood Resident March 30, 2012 at 03:33 PM
I think the drawings were well designed. Progress. I am a home owner in Lakewood and when buying here I understood that Lakewood unlike other suburbs has the majority of its residential streets intersecting with high traffic, high business arteries. Arteries that require infrastructure. Roll the dice, you are going to have something you don't like at the top of your street. I'll trade you the 10 empty store fronts and dilapidated apartments at the end of my street for your brand new gas station that looks more like a high-end retail store. I applaud the city for making these businesses go above and beyond with their architectural design. I once thought what a shame for a church to be tore down for a CVS pharmacy... Now I look at how smart and well developed the new building looks and how it makes "downtown" all the more better. Someone have a grand business idea to fill that over-sized vacant property? By all means speak up...b/c if not bring in the bulldozers and lets keep adding new investment to our city.
Renee March 30, 2012 at 03:48 PM
we are speaking up but we aren't being heard (let me clarify - we are being heard but no one is doing anything about it) and we weren't given the opportunity to speak up before they already made the decision to lower our property value. I mean long term property value because yes a vacant property lowers it and developing it raises the value but developing it with a gas station over the long term lowers it because people don't want to live near a gas station. You cannot compare a gas station with places like CVS, Walgreens, etc. I would love for one of those places to have been chosen for this spot but you know the real reason Giant Eagle wants it so bad is to make sure they have no future competition -- ever which also means they don't need to be as competitive with their pricing and the fuel perks will just be made up through the grocery side of it anyway. Many residents have no choice but to shop there. Had the city held resident focus groups to hear ideas and pursue those maybe there would not be this mess every time there is potential development. I would like to point out too that these "citizen led boards" who are making these decisions are not personally affected. I bet they would not let a gas station be developed next door to them. The Mayor is a President of a Rubber Company (according to the bio on the city website) so, of course, he is not worried about the potential hazards of living near a gas station but I bet he doesn't live next door to one.
Brandon Scullion April 06, 2012 at 08:35 PM
Matt, I appreciate your position on the gas station but is it really necessary to attack everybody who has an opinion that is contrary to yours?
Brandon Scullion April 06, 2012 at 08:50 PM
Also, I got to read through the rest of the posts and have to say that after the initial outrage that you expressed, you have made some great points. Personally, a gas station is the last thing I would want there but at the same time, I am accepting of it - and no, I don't live on either of those streets. I am on Cedarwood.
ella April 23, 2012 at 07:57 PM
What is the benefit to the city bottom line from this type of development ? This will not create a new gas buying consumer, but it only will make people who buy at other gas station come to this one to what is in their mind savings...the smaller gas stations will loose customer ( that's the free market economy for you ) and then city will face multiple brownfield and empty lots from gas stations that will close - what a great development is this gonna be for the city ...? but who cares we'll have newer gas station where a wait time might be shorter at first... but with the same logic we should build a bigger store that has double the number of registers since that wait time to pay for grocery is too long, in a nutshell we are screwed by fuel / food perk minded people who do not see past their own backyards -


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