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POLL: Should Lakewood End its Pit Bull Ban?

The state law removing pit bills as “vicious dogs” went into effect on Tuesday. What do you think?

 

In Ohio, pit bulls are no longer “vicious” animals, according to a new state law that went into effect on Tuesday.

But that did little to change Lakewood’s ordinance, which considers them both dangerous and vicious. 

The statehouse voted earlier this year to repeal the breed-specific language in the Ohio Revised Code, declassifying pit bulls as “vicious animals” at the state level.

However, it does not apply to local municipalities.

Under the new law, a dog can be labeled vicious only if it kills or causes serious harm to a person while unprovoked.

Kevin Butler, the city of Lakewood's law director, told Lakewood Patch earlier this year that Lakewood’s 2008 ordinance deeming all pit bulls and canary dogs as “dangerous animals” would stand.

“I don’t believe that merely removing pit bulls from the definition of vicious animals in the state code alone would affect our ordinance, because it doesn’t classify them as vicious animals,” he said.

  • Should Lakewood end breed-specific legislation?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Absolutely
        532 (89%)
    • No way
        63 (10%)
    Total votes: 595
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Pit bull ban, breed specific legislation, ohio pit bulls, pit bull ban Lakewood, and pit bulls

Jennifer

9:12 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Seriously! Yes you should. BSL helps no one and only condemns an entire breed and their owners for no good reason. Punish the deed, not the breed!

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Katie Clair

10:04 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Absolutely time to remove the utterly pointless ban.

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Jen

10:07 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Absolutely end it - ban bad owners.

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david d swank

11:14 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

I think your right. When a man is convicted of anamial abuse they should be banned from owning any animal there after. BY LAW FOREVER.
Violaters should be charged with a felony if caught after they are banned from owning an animal with a $10,000 fine to boot.

kara Taylor

10:09 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Lift the ban. Smoking, fast food, alcohol, etc... kills every day. Not pit bulls.

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Steve

10:11 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Bay Village just ended their ban yesterday. Time for Lakewood to step up and remove this discriminatory ban that provides no real safety to the public, only heartache. Common Lakewood, do the right thing, end it now...

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Allison Smalley

10:17 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Yes yes yes!!!! It is time to lift the ban and punish bad OWNERS and not discriminate against the breed. The law makers need to update their very out dated..inaccurate research.

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TCK

10:34 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

THIS! The #1 reason why I moved out of Lakewood. Second was ridiculous taxes for non-home owners.

But, the Pit thing? Yeah. ALL cities should fall in line with the STATE law.
Example of Lakewood stupidity?
In my case, I was stopped on Clifton while walking my BOSTON TERRIER in 2010 and was given a verbal assault by an officer who was HELL BENT on stating that "your dog is a puppy pit! GET OUT OF MY CITY" Well, the license number proved him otherwise and a strongly worded letter to the legal director resulted in a written apology for the officer’s treatment. Still doesn’t negate the fact that the officer was a jackass about it, even when PROVEN WRONG/

If Lakewood cops (and other areas) are going to CONTINUE do that, they best go to veterinarian school!
OR, better yet, just fall in line with STATE law.

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Michael

10:45 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

While doing crossing guard duties after school just yesterday, a nice lady with a nice pit bull came jogging down the street and I prepared to cross them. As they crossed at my intersection, the lady waved and smile and the dog lunged with a deep growl and a bared teeth.

Nice lady, nice dog. A slightly longer leash and I'd be telling a different story.

Ban bad owners? This lady wasn't a bad owner. Her dog wasn't a bad dog. You can never predict when dogs are just gonna flip the heck out.

Solve that problem and you can bring a pit bull to my birthday party any time you want.

thanks

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Sarah

7:00 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Sorry Michael, but that could have been a lab, a golden retriever or any other breed of dog. Banning specific breeds does NOTHING to improve safety.

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david d swank

11:19 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

i was almost attacked by a golden retriver while walking my pitbull. and he dident do a damn thing to that dog.

Brian

11:07 am on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

I agree with you Allison. This has very little to do with the breed of the dog and more to do with the breed of the human.

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Bob B

2:33 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

There's only one problem here...our government won't listen to the majority of its citizens...look at the poll numbers above! They (city council, mayor & police) have an agenda here, although it will never be publicly decreed. Related/unrelated, when I asked at Safety Committee meeting late last year how many pit bulls were actually registered in Lakewood, the ballpark number of 18 was given...when I asked how many problems they had had with any of those 18 was, I was told "none." Yet, there are 18 or so of us paying the extra $50 a year for absolutely no purpose. REPEAL THE BAN CITY COUNCIL!!!

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Jane Doe

2:57 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Bob B..it's not even 18 anymore..when I went to register my dog in December it was down to a 'handful'..such a shame they don't even know the number off hand. If these dogs are such a huge concern to the city, don't you think they would know EXACTLY how many were still registered? Another thing that's funny..myself & a close friend were both taken off the list of having 'dangerous dogs' which were once deemed 'pitbulls' after submitting a DNA test. Wake up Lakewood, the ban isn't working..and just because there's only supposedly 'a handful' left in the city, does NOT mean there aren't many others living under the radar. So, this ordinance isn't making us any safer, now is it??

pitbullmom

3:07 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Lakewood has many more problems than a handful of dogs. For instance, did you know that there are over 60 sexually oriented offenders that live in Lakewood. People who have crimes against children on their record! And, dogs are the problem? We have bigger fish to fry here Lakewood!! Repeal the ban and let's work on things that desperately need our attention. If our children's safety is the big concern in Lakewood, then can we start by getting rid of people who have crimes against children?

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Bob Smith

3:41 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

I am looking for someone to educate me:

Why do dog fighters use pit bulls? Who do they opt for that breed over chocolate labs and toy poodles?

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Trista N.

8:28 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Bob, they choose Pits because they serve their purpose. But did you know that Sergeant Stubby, a Pit Bull, is known as the most decorated war dog to have served the U.S. military. In the UK they were referred to as "nanny dogs" because of how well they were with children? The Little Rascals had a Pit Bull for Pete's sake (no pun intended). I have a loving, loyal Pit Bull and like I tell everyone that asks a question similar to yours, "a pencil in the wrong hands can kill someone too".

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Peter Grossetti

8:34 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Bob - pitties are (ab)used this way because they are extremely loyal ... they want to do nothing but please their owner. Nefarious breeders take advantage of pit bulls’ inherent loyalty!

Jessica

5:08 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Lakewood needs to lift the ban! It's ridiculous to begin with! No one died from a pit bull here, they just jumped on the dog hating bandwagon. The animal warden is a joke as well. I had to get a DNA test to prove my dog was a boxer. I'm in the animal care field and have been for 4 years and I've NEVER been bit by a pit bull or pit mix, but I sure as hell have been but by rat dogs, labs, poodles, weiner dogs, and so many more.
Vicious dogs should be labeled by their BEHAVIOR, not their breed.

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DENNY MASSIMIANI

6:25 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

U PEOPLE WOULD THINK DIFFERENT IF ONE OF THESE VICIOUS PIT BULLS KILLED ON OF YOUR CHILDREN, LAKEWOOD LAW DEPARTMENT IS PROTECTING YOUR KIDS, KEEP THE BAN, KEEP LAKEWOOD SAFE!!!!!!

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Sarah

7:02 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Any vicious dog of any breed can kill a child. That's why Ohio lifted the ban on specific breeds and defined what vicious means for ANY dog. Lakewood should do the same.

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Trista N.

8:20 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

The death of a child is always heartbreaking and unfortunate, but should all dogs be banned then? In the news recently were several stories of children being killed by a dog and not one of them was a Pit Bull. Children have a greater chance of being killed by their parent's car than they do a Pit Bull. Basically, banning a certain breed of dog will solve nothing. If anything, BSL breeds more underground crime. I think that this is something that should be of focus as it poses a greater threat to a child.

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Coni M.

8:41 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

It is up to the owners of any animal to make sure they and all others are protected. That is, if we are the more intelligent species. We wouldn't have had the BSL to begin with...people are vicious not the Dogs...

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Megan

8:47 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Sounds like there is a people problem in Lakewood not a pit bull problem! I wouldn't be happy living in a place with 60 sex offenders knowing that the city it more worried about labeling a dog vicious rather than dealing with people crimes. Recent stories I've heard about children dying due to a dog sounded more like guardian neglect rather than a vicious dog. What responsible parent leaves a child UNATTENDED (in a swing) and sleeps in another room?!?! Find the root cause of a problem and combat that. Specific breed of dog isn't the root cause for any of these occurrences. Human neglect and ignorance on the other hand are! If you could please explain (in DETAIL with FACTS/REFERENCES) how a breed ban is going to keep Lakewood safe I'd love to hear it!

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Bob B

12:37 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

That is about the most uneducated response I can imagine. I'd be upset if any dog killed a kid. I'd also be upset if a semi-truck killed someone in my family, but I don'e see Lakewood banning them.

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Jane Doe

3:51 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Ok Shawn Juris, we all know it's you.

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Steve

4:16 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

@Jane- You don't say...LMAO. He wouldn't do that, or would he, still LMAO.

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Peter Grossetti

5:48 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Not Shawn. Shawn may be staunchly pro-ban ... but he would NEVER call anyone "trash."

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david d swank

11:23 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Ok lets really protect ourselves and ban blacks from our cities and just watch the crime rate plumet to all time low's.

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david d swank

11:25 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012

I really dont feel that way but you get the point. either way this is not what civilized humans do. you cant judge the many by the few.

Bill Hausknecht

6:34 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

I'm not sure what to think;I was walking my pug and toy fox terrier on the side walk@9:00pm (it was summertime) 4 years ago past a neighbor who had 2 Rotts.Well the dogs had barked at my dogs in the past and the owner yelled at them
but on this occasion both jumped THRU the screen door and ran after my dogs into the street! I freaked out and if the owner wouldn't have come running out to get them the terrier would've been done for because the one had him on the ground.my dogs don't like big dogs now!I like all animals so I don't know what to think.

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Sarah

7:06 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Bob, the new state law defines what is considered a nuisance, dangerous or vicious dog based on it's behavior not it's breed. As you've just shown in your story any breed can be aggressive. That's why breed specific legislation doesn't work. There are lots of great "pit bulls" out there as well as Rotties. That's why the punishment has to be for the specific animal that exhibits the dangerous behavior not the breed. One of the main problems with breed specific legislation as shown in the other comments is that it is very difficult to identify "pit bull" dogs and that puts even more dogs in jeopardy.

Taylor Marron

6:59 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Bob Smith- pits are chosen because of their strength, loyalty, and eagerness to please. Not because they are vicious. Denny, get a clue. This breed of dog is great; just because they're the most ABUSED doesn't mean they should be discriminated against. Look at the facts buddy, pits scored just behind labs and ABOVE golden retrievers in their temperament tests. Do your research and stop letting the "news" make up your mind for you!

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Sarah

7:08 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Try clicking on this website and identifying the pit bull. Don't feel bad if you can't find him/her in the first try. But if you can't identify them, how will the law enforcement officers? http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

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jennifer

7:34 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

It has nothing to do with the breed and everything to to with the people raising them. And by the way the pic shown isn't a Pit. That's part of the problem the name has been thrown around so much. Not many people even know what a true Pit looks like..... Pic shown is a Staffordshire Bull terrier. The nicest dog Wichita was also referred to as the "Nanny Dog" in England.

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Keisha L Jones

8:07 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

My opinión is this: the only People that bsl helps is the folks that it was Targeted to hurt....those folks that miss treat.them and make money off them though fighting rings..its helps them to make even more money and hurt even more dogs, Yes its time to put an end to BSL!!!!!

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Trista N.

8:12 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Absolutely! Breed bans imposed in any city-town have done nothing but cause public outcry, heartache to those affected, the destruction of healthy/well-adjusted dogs and more underground crime.

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Ann Smith

9:55 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Yes, overturn the stupid law. The evidence is irrefutable, breed doesn't correlate reliably with behavior of dogs. Neuter status and living outside 24 hours a day do, however!

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Amy teal

10:21 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Yes lift the ban. Banning a certain breed does not make a city safer. Regulating dogs that are proven to be vicious will

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Mina Yindra

10:27 pm on Wednesday, May 23, 2012

Yes, overturn this ridiculous law! Do we live in the Dark Ages where we cower in fear of everything we don't understand and then just find some mystical scapegoat for it, along with an equally useless "cure"? Come on- join the 21st century where most people (certainly not the Lakewood govt.) look at the FACTS, make decisions based on a RATIONAL response to those facts and find a SOLUTION that really works, not one that plays into media and uneducated stereotypical hype. If you aren't part of the solution, you are definitely part of the problem!!!

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Bob Smith

8:08 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Perhaps the majority of your should consider abiding by Patch's Terms of Use. The following people have plenty of opinions on pit bull laws, yet refuse to be obedient when it comes to even simple website rules:
Trista N
jennifer
Sarah
Megan
Connie M
Jessica
pitbullmom
steve
& Many more!

Way to spread your message, you trash.

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Trista N.

11:56 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Bob Smith - I really do not think that any of the responses to your facetious question were juvenile, including mine. If anything, your response was not only juvenile, but also offensive and against the terms and conditions of the site. You asked a question, people answered intelligently and respectfully. Deal with it.

Peter Grossetti

8:58 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

@Bob Smith - My phone # is 216-299-8557. Give me a call so we can arrange to meet face-to-face so you can call me "trash," too.

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Bob Smith

9:32 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Peter - your avatar suggests that you are older than dirt and can probably barely move. I suggest you change gears and focus on your Metamucil consumpton and upcoming Social Security checks.

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Amy teal

10:17 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Not quite sure what your problem is Bob, you asked for info and were given said info, the only trash I see is you calling people names for defending a breed of dog, how kindergardenish of you.

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Peter Grossetti

10:50 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

waiting for you phone call, Bob

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Peter Grossetti

11:36 am on Friday, May 25, 2012

... my phone # hasn't changed, Bob!

Steve

11:28 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

@Bob Smith. I sure as hell hope you don't live here in Lakewood. You know we have a litter law here too!

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Bob Smith

11:45 am on Thursday, May 24, 2012

My reaction was a result of the juvenile responses to my original question.

Pits are used in dog fighting due to their instinct and effectiveness. When a loose pit attacks a lady walking her poodle, it's not because of it being extremely loyal to its owner. I understand that all breeds bite. But when a pit does, the damage and nature can be extreme.

The problem with this legislation is not that that we are unfairly singling out this breed - we have to do 'it' with more breeds. Pits are not the only dangerous dog.

Also, by 'it', I am not saying a ban is the right thing to do. Instead, maybe it is a special licensing process, or a class - something. Something to ensure that the owners of breeds capable of causing significant damage other animals and people are in the hands of responsible owners.

If you want to carry a gun, you have go through this process.

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pitbullmom

12:33 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

I was mauled by a dalmatian (had to have reconstructive surgery on my ear). My husband was mauled by a Shetland Sheep Dog (skin on kneecap was torn off, through his pants). He was also bit by a German Shepard when he was young (on the arm). My step-son was bit in the face by a collie. A good friend was put in the hospital for bite wounds from a Chinese crested. Another friend had to have her heel reconstructed due to a bite from a chihuahua. So, we should put regulations on all of those breeds, right? Oh, and while we are at it, we should add dogs that are more media reported dogs like Akita's and Dobermans. Hell, why not add dogs that have been beaten because they seem to be scared of humans and growl and bark at people. And, if you agitate them enough they might bite you. By the way, my rescued BOXER was used in a dog fighting ring. "Pit Bulls" are not the only dog used in dog fighting. Pits aren't dangerous, PEOPLE are dangerous. When will people come to the realization that a dog is a product of it's environment. Well socialized, well trained and altered dogs very rarely ever bite someone. When a dog is starved, abused, left outside and had no interaction with other dogs and humans, they are timid and afraid and more likely to bite. But, the common denominator here is HUMANS. We can make dogs loving and caring or we can make them mean and fearful. It's up to us humans.

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Colin McEwen

12:34 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Let's stay away from name-calling. Stick to the topic. We don't allow personal attacks.

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Steve

1:42 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

@Colin- Are you going to present this poll to city council?

Max Primero

2:05 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Yes, please end the ban it's flat out discrimination and it's just plain wrong. These are amazing dogs and they do not deserve such treatment.

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keith a dewey

2:38 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Keep the ban. It is a breed that has a propensity for killing. If you treat them right and socialize them they may never cause a problem. The gene is there and is not in other dogs. I have been attacked and seen attacks at the Lakewood Dog Park. All of the attacks were by pit bulls or partial pit bulls. You can't stop bad owners from getting dogs but, you can stop potentially bad dogs manifesting their instincts.

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Steve

3:14 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

@Keith- about a week or so ago, you told me you were on the fence about this issue. What changed your mind? Also, pit bulls, are not allowed in the lakewood dog park as far as I know. But my friends that go there daily, well, not one of them has ever seen a fight, except for a few fiesty small dogs picking on much larger dogs, none of which were bullies. Do you really know with certainty what a pit looks like, probably not. And this gene, never heard that one before. You need to educate yourself better, not spread the fear you hear from the media. Humans have a propensity for killing at a much higher level than any dog alive.

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Peter Grossetti

3:25 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

"The gene is there"?!?!?!??

Reminds me of ignorant Jimmy "The Greek" Snyder who was fired from CBS in 1988 when he intimated that African Americans were naturally superior athletes. "The black is a better athlete to begin with because he's been bred to be that way, because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs and he's bred to be the better athlete because this goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trade'n the big… the owner… the slave owner would, would, would, would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have ah, ah big, ah big, ah big black kid."

Bob Smith

3:14 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Pitbull mom - You are right about people being the main problem. Now go over to Birdtown and explain to those animal renters that they need to be smart and responsible about their dogs. Tell them that they need to train their dog. Explain that instead of buying a bag of meth and a big screen tv, they should neuter thheir rottweiler.

You think they are going to nod their heads and change their ways? Because the answer is a strong no, regulation is the only way we are going to move forward.

Go watch the movie Idiocracy, which is a glimpse into our future.

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Steve

3:47 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

@Peter-Touche, I forgot about that one, and it fits right in here. :)

Allison Smalley

4:32 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Has this poll be presented to city council? Can we get an official to sound off here and explain why the ban is going to remain in place? Kevin Butler simply said (2/2012) that the ban would remain in effect but did not give his reasoning. Higher courts than his have deemed this issue null. I would like to understand Power's agenda as well... we can look to him as to the one that got this ball rolling. His reasoning back in 2008 was with flawed research. The locking jaw and propensity to kill nonsense. This is discriminatory (as BobSmith is proving with his comments regarding Bird Town) that this is a bigger issue than dogs… Beautiful.. loving … friendly and loyal dogs are being killed every day in shelters because of media hype and public prejudice.
Step up Mr Butler.. please answer.

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Jane Doe

5:16 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

Allison, it's apparent that Lakewood officials do not listen to the concerns of residents, that was made clear in council meetings when all this started 2008. Unfortunately, this issue isn't about 'safety' or dogs. It's about getting the 'trash' out of the city (we have copies of internal emails from then ward 3 councilman Summers). According to most of our closed minded council members 'only drug dealers & thugs' own 'pitbulls'. God himself could come down & demand the ban be repealed..it won't happen. City council admit they were wrong? Never!

mary pearl cherry

10:16 pm on Thursday, May 24, 2012

End it.,and never see it again. No breed should be subject to bsl. All of my dogs a pitbull mixes and out of every kind of dog I have owned I trust these dogs the most.

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Peter Grossetti

9:00 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012

@ Ms Cherry - "No breed should be subject to bsl." AMEN!!! You should know that there are those in Lakewod who are championin a breed on even more breeds--up to seven more breeds as based on the insurance industry's annual bite statistics--as well a talk about limiting the number of dogs per household.

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Peter Grossetti

9:55 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012

*should read ... "championing a ban on even more breeds" (this whole bsl concept is so unjust that I can't even type straight!!)

Sam Bridgeman

9:37 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012

The B.S.L. doesn't make sense. The Center for Disease Control went through the records of dog attacks over the last 50 years and found no link between specific breeds and attacks. Studies done on breed's tendencies to bite found pits to be less likely than most to attack people. Pit bull's bite is less powerful than many bully breed dogs. Golden retrievers have more incidents of bites per year than pit bulls and they have a larger bite area. Almost 100% of all fatal dog attacks are done by unfixed dogs. The dog that fatally attacks the most in any given year is the same breed most popularly used for home security. BSLs only change the breed that usually becomes the most violent it doesn't prevent violence by dogs or to them. BSL laws force people to hide their dogs giving them less exercise and socialization. This leads to more violence and less safety. The majority of dog attacks are by unattended dogs chained outside. If the laws required dogs not being used for breeding to be fixed and no dog to be left unattended outdoors for more than short amounts of time serious dog attacks would be curtailed by at least 90%. If you make laws that force people to responsible than their will be less violence. Plus, you can't tell what a pit bull is through visual means. The $1000s of dollars that have been used on law suits, won by people who it turns out don't own pits speaks to this. Let's use science and facts to solve this problem not fear and ignorance.

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Steve

11:01 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012

@Peter- How did you get wind of this? And who is propossing? Thanks in advance.

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Peter Grossetti

11:39 am on Thursday, June 7, 2012

I keep my ear (and nose) to the ground. :-) I will not say who is proposing the expansion of the breed ban until something formal is presented (I do not want to be be accused of yellow journalism) ... but please be assured that the concept is being kicked around. With regard to the limit of dogs per household: Councilwoman Madigan asked Lakewood Animal Safety and Welfare Advisory Board to "look into" this issue. I believe at LASWAB's March 2012 meeting this was discussed (with Lakewood Animal Control's input) and it was determined that any situation where an unusual amount of dog (or pets in general) were being kept by a single household could be dealt with under existing "nuisance" ordinances rather than creating new laws/ordinances to specifically address "limits." The reason I bring the "limits" situation up is to give an example of the kind of thinking which exists our there.

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Angelo Evans

11:33 am on Wednesday, March 20, 2013

ok my name is angelo evans im 15 and i hsve been bit by chiwawas and german sheperds but never a pitbull a pitbull saved my fathers life twice i believe they should be aloud

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