New Get Go Gas Station Sparks Concern in the Neighborhood
A couple fliers circulating in the neighborhood of the proposed new Get Go gas station at the southwest corner of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue. Public meeting set for Wednesday.
There are a couple pieces of literature circulating around the neighborhood of the proposed new Get Go gas station at the southwest corner of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue.
The first — stuck to doors and left on porches — cautions residents about the possible negative effects of a gas station. The flier warns falling property values, pollution, increased traffic and undesirable consequences on local business.
This comes after Giant Eagle’s proposal earlier this month to build a 5,600-square-foot brick building, with multiple gas pumps, at the property that it once owned.
The city responded with a letter of its own — and an invitation to discuss the issue further, at a meeting set to take place at Lakewood City Hall at 6 p.m. March 28.
Penned by Dru Siley, the city’s director of planning and development, and Ward 3 councilman Shawn Juris, the city’s flier explains that the the city and the Pittsburgh-based grocer had “preliminary discussions” regarding the proposal.
At the city’s architectural board of review meeting, board members asked about the proximity of the proposed gas station to neighboring homes. Giant Eagle officials said that the existing board-on-board fencing dividing the properties would remain as a “buffer” between the residential neighborhood to the south.
Giant Eagle sold its property across the street at 14013 Detroit Avenue to Urban Active in 2007. However, plans at the site to build a workout facility never came to fruition.
The building has been vacant since 2007, when Giant Eagle finished its move across the street to 14100 Detroit Avenue.
“Preliminary discussions” also included talk about a major overhaul to the existing store at the corner of Bunts Road and Detroit Avenue. However, Giant Eagle representatives recently told city officials those plans are on hold until at least 2013.
Officials said demolition of the existing GetGo structure — a grocery store that’s gone by a few names in its history — could begin by June. Construction could be completed by the holidays.
“We’d like to get the details and get going,” Pat Avolio, the director of real estate development for Giant Eagle, told Lakewood Patch earlier this month.
Avolio, who directed questions to the company’s public relations department in Pittsburgh, said the existing Get Go property at the intersection of Manor Park and Detroit avenues would likely be sold.
Michele Marotta
10:23 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
I think the potential of this gas station sounds great. The building is not tacky, with fuel so pricey these days, it's great to have GetGo's fuel perks to go with an already more affordable gas station. Traffic is going to happen anywhere, but trying to get in and out of the current location is tricky at best! The chance to have a larger GetGo without going to W117th pleases me greatly!
Matt Herberger
8:00 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
You have to be joking or work for Giant Eagle. The building is completely obnoxious. If you enjoy these kinds of places, why don't you move next to a highway. FYI, you pay for these so called "perks" by paying more money for your groceries. Try Marc's if you want cheap groceries and Gastown USA for cheap gas. What plan did you look at that makes you think this is not "tacky"
Matt Herberger
8:17 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Oh by the way, that "lovely" drawing of their store is missing a couple of things--such as the homes directly adjacent to it, the cars that will be crammed in there and the children that will be dodging the traffic on their way to school.
RUBIN YODER
5:27 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
No hitching post fur me buggy neithers a water trough to keep me team hydrated either...I gunna raise hell at dat meeting. Hello Mr.Herberger, yu name sunds Amish. Yes ? And how ironik is it dat me two strappin sons are named Libel ant Slander...
Wut a small wurld.
Alexandra
11:22 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Better than the blight sitting there, Lakewood needs a better gas station. The design looks good.
Matt Herberger
8:03 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I have a good idea. Where do you live? Why don't we put a 16 pump station next to you. Blight is in the eye of the beholder. I would prefer an empty lot to this. Seriously, let me know where you live so I can petition Giant Eagle to put the gas station next to your home.
WILD AMISH
11:36 am on Monday, March 26, 2012
Anyone whom pushes back new development usually have a unique agenda in doing so. They worry about losing customers. Instead of FUC- - - - crying about it, use it to KICK YOUR CURRENT SPACE UP A NOTCH to co-exist. Kinda like a "GUT CHECK" - Get rid of the beer advertisments,lotto & smoke signs, OHIO DIRECTION CARD SIGNS BIGGER THAN A POOL TABLE etc... Let your customers see into your space so that they eliminate any perception that something "SHADY" is going on inside...Welcome Giant Eagle, help us grow as a city...
Matt Herberger
8:07 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
The people who are pushing back are the residents who live on the street and have "kicked up our current space" by investing in their homes and paying thousands of dollars in taxes every year. Your not to subtle dig at Moon's Deli is slander and libel. They are a small family-owned business and have nothing to do with the complaints--I AM COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS MONSTROSITY.
Matt Herberger
7:41 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
What is your agenda?
Brian
1:46 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Wild Amish, that is not an accurate statement. Just because someone is opposed to a gas station opening up on their street doesn't mean they have a hidden agenda. The same could be said about person posting comments on a website under alias. What's your agenda? Do you work for Giant Eagle?
Brandon Scullion
1:55 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Personally, I hope it works out. The existing gas station, the one that currently sits next to residences, is too small and creates some dangerous situations when cars are sitting with their tail ends sticking out into the road. My fingers are crossed that it goes through. It will be a much better use of the space.
Matt Herberger
8:09 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Brandon,
So you want to swap a small gas station for a gigantic one THAT IS NEXT TO RESIDENCES AS WELL. I have my fingers crossed that you do not represent the majority
Brandon Scullion
4:35 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Matt, I appreciate your position on the gas station but is it really necessary to attack everybody who has an opinion that is contrary to yours?
Brandon Scullion
4:50 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Also, I got to read through the rest of the posts and have to say that after the initial outrage that you expressed, you have made some great points.
Personally, a gas station is the last thing I would want there but at the same time, I am accepting of it - and no, I don't live on either of those streets. I am on Cedarwood.
Bill Hausknecht
2:24 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I agree! The present GetGo station is way too cramped and besides that I feel it's awesome that Giant Eagle would consider investing here.The buffer is necessary for the residential properties and people have to understand that you just cannot keep scaring away businesses and keep a strong tax base.
Matt Herberger
8:11 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Bill
Great idea. Lets locate the Get Go next to you. The issue is not scaring away businesses. The issue is attracting appropriate businesses to our community. You can be the one left holding the bag when this city looks like Lorain in North Olmstead or Brook Park road.
Rick Uldricks
5:02 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Will it have a car wash?
Matt Herberger
8:12 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Gosh I hope so. Of course you could always use the hose attached to your house and some good old fasioned elbow grease to wash your car.
The original Bill
11:37 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
It's funny how of all these comments there is only one misguided poster who is against this plan. Matt would you rather that Lakewood just let all the vacant areas on Detroit sit empty forever? If you were so concerned about living near a commercial property why did you buy that house? Why didn't you buy one in another area of Lakewood away from Detroit Rd? You sound exactly like the people who buy homes near the airport then complain about the noise from jets.
Matt Herberger
5:34 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Well, lets discount the fellow that calls himself "Wild Amish" or "Rubin Yoder". I responded to four posters--not exactly what I would call a representative sample. No I would not rather Lakewood just let vacant areas sit empty. But short-sighted development plans that reduce the appeal and value of Lakewood is not the answer. Development for developments sake is not the answer. I wasn't concerned living next to a commercial property. I am concerned living next to a gas station that does not meet the standards outlined in Lakewood city's own document about community vision. I bought the house because I believed that reasonable people would not allow such a travesty. You sound exactly like the type of person that is going to cry about their property values when Lakewood is a dump full of over-sized, inappropriate commercial buildings and slums caused when good citizens and homeowners leave
Cat Donovan
8:34 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Take a lesson from your Woodward friends and the McDonald's set to commence construction and save your time and money trying to stop the Get Go. Dru & crew will not, for one moment, consider your issues. The boys will appear to care and put on their dog and pony show but in the end it is a frustrating waste of all your efforts. The residents of Woodward feel your pain.
Matt Herberger
7:26 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
i know all too well what you speak of, but must continue to push against the windmills--Thank you
Don Quixote
Joe Hildebrandt
7:42 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Cat I disagree, as a resident that will be effected by Mcdonalds I live right down the street) I felt that the city did its job: Listened to residents feedback, addressed architectural issues, and allowed free enterprise to take its course. Just because you didnt like the outcome doesnt mean they didnt do their part. I saw our mayer several times outside the theater watching traffic, talking to residents, etc...
Barbara
8:37 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Not just one poster is against this. I don't like the idea either, and not just because of the gas station. As an 'inner ring' suburb, I think it's imperative for Lakewood to maintain a less 'industrial' feeling that a huge gas station would project.
What's going to happen to this space if the venture fails? What's going to happen to the existing space across the street when it's discovered that the area can't support another grocery store? Maybe it would be different if it wasn't GE building another GE store directly across the street, but I'm having a difficult time understanding how the influx of 'specialty' grocery stores is going to maintain a customer base. With the addition of the GE store, the proposed Whole Foods, Earth Fare, Nature's Bin, Trader Joe's, etc.,
Alex, I know it's difficult to remember them all, but there are lots of gas stations in Lakewood.
The original Bill
1:02 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Barbara this is not going to be another Giant Eagle. It is going to be a GetGo gas station with a convenience store. It is not going to replace the grocery store since it will not be a full service grocery. I also seriously doubt this will fail. Look at all the customers at the existing GetGo at Manor Park.
Alexandra
8:45 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I welcome new development. I am stuck down near the empty Fairchild lot. I welcomed the Rockport project that failed. I wished that Quaker Steak and Lube would build a full size restaurant so it would bring more tax dollars to town. I would rather have a park over here, something we lack. Tired of looking at unused space. Fine, build the gas station near here. People already cram the Get Go on Manor Park.
Matt Herberger
5:43 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Alexandra
Again, I am absolutely NOT opposed to development. I too welcome a Rockport project--residences and shops--great idea. Quaker Steak and Lube--a restaurant--great idea. But can you honestly tell me that this compares to a gas station. What benefits does a gas station confer on a community. There are plenty of gas stations in Lakewood, Cleveland, Cuyahoga County and Ohio. I have never had an issue finding a gas station.
Alexandra
8:54 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
What is wrong with North Olmsted? Sorry, moved here from CA 10 years ago and I think things in Lakewood are going the correct direction. It is more inviting than when I moved here. Fresh look, great expanded library, restaurants that draw National attention...we are a booming little town!
Matt Herberger
5:45 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Well not all of North Olsmted, but specifically the area around Lorain Avenue. It used to be a nice rural/suburban community. Unrestrained development led to one commercial strip, strip mall, mall, etc. Go to Columbia road, head south to Lorain and than west on Lorain and see what development unrestrained leads to. I am sure Bill would love to live there.
The original Bill
12:16 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
You are right Matt I would like to live there on one of the side streets in a neighborhood where all the commercial development along Lorain Rd means much lower property taxes for the homeowners. If I would be thinking to buy in North Olmsted I wouldn't buy a house on Columbia, Clague or Lorain and then complain about the traffic.
Rick Uldricks
9:28 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Andrew W.K. – I Love Giant Eagle - http://www.lakewoodcitizen.com/2012/03/27/andrew-w-k-i-love-giant-eagle/
Matt Herberger
5:54 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Clever. Rick, I at least admire the fact that you identify yourself with a first and last name. Clearly, you and i are, and always will be, on opposing sides on this issue. Don't worry, I am realist enough to know you and your love will win in the end. One thing to keep in mind--Topps. Regos, Giant Eagle--they all leave you in the end. Your fellow citizens, however, including those who will never be able to leave due to reduced property values, will always be here.
Tia Atchison
10:25 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I am a home owner on Parkhaven, about 100 feet from the proposed new Get Go. I am one of the "lucky few" who are directly affected by this project. I have invested in my house, enjoy my neighborhood...and I also buy locally whenever possible. I have very mixed feelings about this proposal and intend to hear ALL sides of the story before making my thoughts heard. I appreciate everyone's comments here; please remember that there are real homes involved, with real people. Thanks.
Matt Herberger
6:52 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Tia
I live on Bunts. 100 feet from the project. Can't we at least have a project that takes into consideration our welfare and well-being? Should we not have a say in the scale and the design of something that will almost certainly impact our lives and the value of our homes? Whether you want a gas station or not--don't we have a say?
David Connor
11:52 am on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I got the one of the flyers at my home on Marlowe. I think the GetGo could be a good use of this space which has a been an eyesore. I think there should be no access at all to the site from Parkhaven, and the setbacks be guaranteed in writing. Some of the residents close to the expanded Lakewood hospital ER did not really get what was promised.
I worked in Erie PA and there was a similar station there at an even busier intersection, but the traffic restrictions (one way entrances and exits, restricted left turns, etc.) made it safe-- certainly more safe than the 'dodge em' traffic at the existing station at Manor Park.
I would also encourage the lighting be downplayed for the benefit of the nearby residents.
Matt Herberger
6:55 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
David
Thank you for your thoughtful and non-partisan input. Can we at least agree that the Getgo should reflect some of the community's input?
Brian
12:07 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Matt and others,
Is this the same property where the original Giant Eagle was located? Would it make a difference if they put in a Whole Foods or other retail store at this location? Is it just upsetting because it's a gas station/food mart?
For the record, I live on Mathews Avenue in Lakewood and was for the Westend Project and there was even talk about our house being needed for parking. I would have been more than willing to see that project done even if it meant moving to another fine house in Lakewood. I am pro-developement as long as it stays with in the architecture standards of the city.
Thanks,
Brian
Matt Herberger
7:10 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Brian
As I have stated in my other posts--no, I would not have opposed a more suitable development. When I moved here, the present location of Giant Eagle was a Topps and the proposed Getco location was the Giant Eagle. I appreciated the fact that I could walk to these places and that they were a positive influence on the neighborhood. A gas station is an entirely different thing. A 16 pump gas station with a 6000 square foot "convenience store" is an entirely different matter. In a perfect world, no gas station would go into this area,.but at the very least can't we have more imagination?
lisa
1:02 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
what is the difference if its were it is or across the street?
Matt Herberger
7:07 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
The current location of the Getgo has been a gas station for a very long time. It is an appropriate size for its location. Home values in that area have already taken into account the proximity of a gas station. Putting in a new gas station will adversely effect homes that up to this point were not close to a gas station.
FYI, these locations are not across the street from each other
Mark
2:08 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I'll concede that I, like most other people, would prefer that development took some other form than a gas station. But, this is a reasonable development.
- The current Get-Go was put on a awkward site and is completely overwhelmed.
- The gas station is needed and placing it on the corner of two busy streets will provide the opportunity to capture a lot of business.
- That extra capacity should translate to more revenue, which will in turn mean more tax revenue to the City...which helps us all.
- Some might point out (and object to) that gas stations experience a lot of traffic, take truck delivery, keep long hours, and have bright lights. The thing is, so do grocery stores...which is what was there just 5 or 6 years ago. The previous business had hundreds of customers per day, took their deliveries by truck, kept long business hours, and their high-mast lighting is still in place on the property.
- The property is zoned for this use. There used to be a commercial venue on this property. Directly across Bunts was a service station. Directly across Detroit is a convenience store, a restaurant, and a grocery store. While the gas station clashes with the residential homes behind it, it does match the other business which front the same streets.
- At least this has the potential to be a thriving business...which is both (a) something Lakewood needs more of, and (b) better than the nothing that is there now.
Matt Herberger
7:23 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Mark
I worry that Detroit will become Brookpark Road, Lorain Ave etc. The good citizens will leave and what will you have? These stores come and go. It is the homeowner's that make the difference. Short term tax revenues do not mean long term viability. It is a time worn truth.
The original Bill
12:19 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Yeah Matt we all know how people are leaving North Olmsted in droves because of all the development. Get a clue.
Alicia
6:00 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Giant Eagle can't even be relied upon to shovel the snow from their sidewalks in the winter. They REGULARLY leave the sidewalk unplowed even when all the other businesses have cleared theirs. You can tell it is Giant Eagle, because their sidewalks will be covered and icy, then you walk past the apartment buildings across clear sidewalks, and the [present] GetGo's sidewalk is snow-covered.
So we have more of this to look forward to?
Matt Herberger
7:37 pm on Tuesday, March 27, 2012
I am so glad you brought this up. The GetGo design has plenty of pretty features like trees and "water gardens" And if you believe that these will actually be in the final construction or properly maintained, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. The current Giant Eagle does a terrible job of maintaining its landscaping or capturing its trash. If they cannot even keep stock of their shopping carts(which litter the surrounding neighborhood), can you imagine them handling large quantities of gasoline?
Barbara
3:41 am on Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Bill,
I must have missed something. I thought the plan was for a GE 'Market District' store.
And for the record, I didn't see the point of THAT plan either.
I am opposed to another gas station, and also another convenience store.
Renee
10:48 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
I live on Parkhaven and I have read through these posts. I am strongly opposed to it because it will lower our property values among many other things. We want this space developed but we are talking about a Gas Station with 16 pumps!! How does that even compare to any other prospect? The city touted the fact that there are 51,000 residents in Lakewood and the most densely populated city between Chicago and New York so this Get Go needs to service 51,000 people? And, by the way, the city keeps saying this is a private transaction that is legal as long as they conform to zoning requirements. I would like to note that according to the county auditor Giant Eagle doesn't own that property yet. It is still in the name of P&P Realty LLC and it was noted at the meeting that Echo Realty has a "contract." My guess is they have this proposal to go to the City and if it is approved the "contract" will go forward but if it is not, it won't. So, I wonder who is really running this? They obviously do not care what their residents want and Giant Eagle wants to make sure they have no competition -- ever. By making this property Get Go they are insuring that another grocery store cannot compete with them as has been the case in the past (Pick N Pay, Tops, Regos, Krogers) so any discounts you may think you are getting at the pump will be adjusted through their grocery prices. I would like to know how our "citizen led boards" would feel if a gas station was moving next door to them.
Renee
11:06 pm on Thursday, March 29, 2012
You know, after reading over the posts again, I really need to point out that we are not opposed to developing that property! Of course we want it developed! Just not a gas station. It is not like we don't have gas stations to go to. Do you think this is going to draw people to Lakewood? Hey, come live in Lakewood where we have a Get Go gas station with 16 pumps! There is so much potential here to make something of this property that will draw people to Lakewood and we all know there is not much space in Lakewood. Why a gas station? My hope is that this can be stopped. They don't own the property yet -- at least according to the County Auditor. And, why doesn't the city ask for focus groups of Lakewood residents to get input from the community on what they would like to see in Lakewood and pursue those avenues for development?
Tim Torrence
1:12 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I understand everyone's apprehension about placing a gas station in this location and it seems that the gasoline is the problem. But some of the reasons are simply baseless. First it is not going increase traffic. No one in their right mind is going to drive down Detroit avenue just for gas. Most of the people who are going to use this station are the people getting fuel perks across the street and that is what GE wants. They placed a Get-Go right next to the store on W.117th. Second, kids aren't going to get hit by cars. That is the same old argument brought out over every business that tries to come into Lakewood. They said the same thing when Walgreens wanted a store at Detroit and W.117th WHERE I LIVE so I know a thing or two about this situation. Low and behold no increased traffic, no increase in kids getting hit by cars, no increased crime. I think reading a previous article on patch concerning this property will shed some more light on the subject. But more importantly I hope Matt doesn't leave me out of his counter posting marathon.
Renee
8:37 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
You know I understand what you are saying about traffic and children, but again, Walgreens or just about anything else is not going to lower your property value. A gas station will.
Chris Olsen
10:32 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
lets get the west end project back on the ballot, that will get people talking again
Lakewood Resident
11:33 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
I think the drawings were well designed. Progress. I am a home owner in Lakewood and when buying here I understood that Lakewood unlike other suburbs has the majority of its residential streets intersecting with high traffic, high business arteries. Arteries that require infrastructure. Roll the dice, you are going to have something you don't like at the top of your street. I'll trade you the 10 empty store fronts and dilapidated apartments at the end of my street for your brand new gas station that looks more like a high-end retail store. I applaud the city for making these businesses go above and beyond with their architectural design. I once thought what a shame for a church to be tore down for a CVS pharmacy... Now I look at how smart and well developed the new building looks and how it makes "downtown" all the more better. Someone have a grand business idea to fill that over-sized vacant property? By all means speak up...b/c if not bring in the bulldozers and lets keep adding new investment to our city.
Renee
11:48 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
we are speaking up but we aren't being heard (let me clarify - we are being heard but no one is doing anything about it) and we weren't given the opportunity to speak up before they already made the decision to lower our property value. I mean long term property value because yes a vacant property lowers it and developing it raises the value but developing it with a gas station over the long term lowers it because people don't want to live near a gas station. You cannot compare a gas station with places like CVS, Walgreens, etc. I would love for one of those places to have been chosen for this spot but you know the real reason Giant Eagle wants it so bad is to make sure they have no future competition -- ever which also means they don't need to be as competitive with their pricing and the fuel perks will just be made up through the grocery side of it anyway. Many residents have no choice but to shop there. Had the city held resident focus groups to hear ideas and pursue those maybe there would not be this mess every time there is potential development. I would like to point out too that these "citizen led boards" who are making these decisions are not personally affected. I bet they would not let a gas station be developed next door to them. The Mayor is a President of a Rubber Company (according to the bio on the city website) so, of course, he is not worried about the potential hazards of living near a gas station but I bet he doesn't live next door to one.
ella
3:57 pm on Monday, April 23, 2012
What is the benefit to the city bottom line from this type of development ? This will not create a new gas buying consumer, but it only will make people who buy at other gas station come to this one to what is in their mind savings...the smaller gas stations will loose customer ( that's the free market economy for you ) and then city will face multiple brownfield and empty lots from gas stations that will close - what a great development is this gonna be for the city ...? but who cares we'll have newer gas station where a wait time might be shorter at first... but with the same logic we should build a bigger store that has double the number of registers since that wait time to pay for grocery is too long, in a nutshell we are screwed by fuel / food perk minded people who do not see past their own backyards -